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That's a "motherhood statement"[1] - you haven't answered the question. Militaries make targeting decisions with data. That's entirely separate to whether they
by XorNot 10mo ago
That's a "motherhood statement"[1] - you haven't answered the question.
Militaries make targeting decisions with data. That's entirely separate to whether they have been ordered by civilian government to target something, and Palantir do not control that part of decision making (you as a voter do! You did vote right?)
1. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/motherhood_statement https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/motherhood_statement
- dwb 10mo agoNo it’s not. It’s totally conceivable that the (perceived) quality of targeting data would contribute to the decision of whether to run a mission at all, and if so how extensively.
- whimsicalism 10mo agoisn’t that essentially true of any technology that reduces the civilian casualties of a conflict?
- dwb 10mo agoThe companies involved definitely want you to think that part of their noble goal is reducing civilian casualties. As far as I can see, though, that is pure propaganda.
- rkomorn 10mo agoYou can reduce civilian casualties by reducing the number of people considered civilians.
- whimsicalism 10mo agoi am not saying that is the case here, all i am saying is that your argument would apply to any technology that lets you better differentiate/target enemies vs. civilians, which suggests to me it is overbroad.
- dwb 10mo agoYou are reading perhaps more generality than I intended. To be clear, I am talking about the present greater-Anglo-American military-industrial complex, driven by present ideologies, in which the distinction between “enemy” and “civilian” itself is extremely debatable.
- mexicocitinluez 10mo agoAbsolutely. And that the people who stand to benefit the most from another war might want to filter/target that data in a way to make that more probable? I mean, I know it's a stretch. Especially with how benevolent our current class of billionaires are. But just imagine a guy who thinks money is more important than anything else. I know... another stretch. lol.
- hackable_sand 10mo ago[flagged]
- mexicocitinluez 10mo ago> > Palantir do not control that part of decision making (you as a voter do! You did vote right?) You're not actually suggesting that the company providing the data isn't at all part of that process, are you? Can you, for a second, imagine a company collecting/forwarding only data that's beneficial to it's core objective? Especially one whose led by a guy who has quite literally benefits off of a war????
- XorNot 10mo agoI am 100% sure you have absolutely no idea what Palantir actually do, and I suggest you go actually read about it. There's plenty of resources out there which will explain in considerable detail what the product is, what the services are, how the services get provided, and the benefits (for example one of Palantir's premier operations is "forward deployed engineers" - which is super-handy for organizations which work in government because it means they come to you and do the installs and setup, but don't keep or even have access to any of the data - the relationship is between you and the specific employees - who in turn need to have Federal clearances - and not Palantir corporate). This arrangement is extremely conventional, but most company's hate doing it and so don't unless they're operating with the expertise to manage those types of orgs (which is usually only profitable if you have a unique advantage or specialize in seeking a lot of contracts and then navigate the data handling rules to realize - hopefully - some synergies). I don't like Thiel, but his detractors are also very obviously ignorant as to how any of the Federal government normally works.
- mexicocitinluez 10mo agolol Found Karpas burner account You're not actually contending that people at Palantir don't need clearances are you?