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I can't say I understand the Palantir hate. Isn't it just a database analytics SaaS? Why not hate Google as well because government employees who do things you

I can't say I understand the Palantir hate. Isn't it just a database analytics SaaS? Why not hate Google as well because government employees who do things you don't like use Google? Is the Palantir hate just manufactured pointless rage or is there an actual reason behind it?

m4ck_ 9mo ago
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- p0w3n3d 9mo ago
  Everyone here is writing as if it was obvious, but I need more details. Could you please share any links on the subject?
  - KaiserPro 9mo ago
    Karp memorised oswald mosley's speech for capitulating to hitler: https://nypost.com/2025/11/18/us-news/why-eccentric-palantir-ceo-alex-karp-feels-left-by-the-left/ https://nypost.com/2025/11/18/us-news/why-eccentric-palantir... At best thats wierd, at worst he's an actual fascist (context: Oswald created and ran the british union of fascists in the UK, married the diana mitford with both Goebbels and Hitler present. )
    - mlrtime 9mo ago
      Ahh yes, the left's version of "If you don't agree with us on everything you are a fascist." Boring.
      - filleduchaos 9mo ago
        "If you don't agree with us on everything" and it's someone whose wedding Goebbels and Hitler attended? Interesting.
        mlrtime 9mo ago
        Godwin's law is irrelevant now.
      - KaiserPro 9mo ago
        Karp isn't british, and its not like Oswald Mosley is that well known in the UK. Mosley's speeches are not common knowledge. For example if you reference "rivers of blood" someone who's vaguely knowledgable in British politics will have a basic understanding of the reference. (Enoch Powell) if you said "Hurray for the black shirts" someone might know you're talking about the daily mail's endorsement of Mosely. But thats the Dailymail, not Mosley. But if you say "britian first speech" you'll get blank looks. Even if you're a politics nerd. So for someone who is pretty uninterested in british politics, to memorise a speech from oswald mosley, is deeply fucking weird. Now, if that had been some politician like Lloyd George or Disraeli, you know someone who was actually a good orator, still weird, but not much else. To memorise a speech from a fascist, who married a fascist, organised a fascist party, was interred for being a fascist, and tell it back to the grandson of that fascist, who you employed mainly because he's the grandson of the fascist, is big fucking tell that he's a bit fascist.
    - Dambalala 9mo ago
      I discussed this with an AI and we concluded: The 1939 Mosley speech at Earls Court was an antisemitic, fascist, anti-parliament speech framed as a call for peace with Nazi Germany and for authoritarian national renewal. Karp quoting it in an interview isn’t evidence of sympathy; it fits his reputation for provocation rather than any shared ideology. The speech itself is a clear example of populist authoritarian rhetoric built on grievance, elite conspiracy, and rejection of liberal democracy. Fascinating that Karp reportedly recited part of the speech to Mosley’s grandson, did some tai chi, left without a goodbye, and then hired him to run Palantir’s UK operation. The speech text is online, but I’m hesitant to link it directly given sensitivities around perceived extremist material and online moderation in the UK.
      - KaiserPro 9mo ago
        > online moderation in the UK. I'm british, fuck that. Read it here: https://www.oswaldmosley.com/britain-first-rally-1939/ https://www.oswaldmosley.com/britain-first-rally-1939/ Also I'd recomend reading it, rather than getting a summary. because you need to see the banality of what he's asking for, and how tame (sadly) it is compared to currently pricks like Jenrick and Farage are asking for now. > Fascinating that Karp reportedly recited part of the speech to Mosley’s grandson recited from memory Again, at best its deeply weird, ungenerously its a power play, at worst is someone who's fascinated by fascism.
  - m4ck_ 9mo ago
    Sure thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Cities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Cities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pr%C3%B3spera https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pr%C3%B3spera They want to establish cities that are exempt from most US law and regulation (or whatever host country they leech on to), giving the company that owns the city basically complete power over everything and everyone that has the misfortune to be there. The US recently pardoned a major narco-terrorsist in the hopes of propping up the Honduran experiment. I'll preempt anyone else: Yes I probably exaggerated a bit in how I described the idea. Still, these assholes are working to eliminate wages, labor laws, environmental regs, property ownership, etc.
s5300 9mo ago
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BrenBarn 9mo ago
I think a fair number of people who hate Palantir do hate Google too.
lithocarpus 9mo ago
Palantir is more directly involved in the surveillance state and military industrial complex. Not saying Google isn't, but it's at least not as public or blatant, and is much less of what Google does overall.
- cheraderama 9mo ago
  Tbh I think public and blatant is preferable.
aprilthird2021 9mo ago
Palantir makes AI to determine if who you are auto droning is a valid target or not. You can imagine why people dislike that, especially given that it's been deployed in Palestine
- pageandrew 9mo ago
  Would you prefer that militaries have less-capable software to make targeting decisions?
  - hackable_sand 9mo ago
    I would prefer that militaries do not deliberately genocide civilians and antagonize non-combatants.
    - XorNot 9mo ago
      That's a "motherhood statement"[1] - you haven't answered the question. Militaries make targeting decisions with data. That's entirely separate to whether they have been ordered by civilian government to target something, and Palantir do not control that part of decision making (you as a voter do! You did vote right?) 1. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/motherhood_statement https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/motherhood_statement
      - dwb 9mo ago
        No it’s not. It’s totally conceivable that the (perceived) quality of targeting data would contribute to the decision of whether to run a mission at all, and if so how extensively.
        whimsicalism 9mo ago
        isn’t that essentially true of any technology that reduces the civilian casualties of a conflict?
xboxnolifes 9mo ago
Palantir might just pretty up the display of the data that is aggregated by other vendors, which source their data from other vendors, who collect their data from "opt-in" services, which technically explain how they work somewhere in a 200 page ToS. But at some point you gotta look at the sum of the incremental issues and say enough is enough.
tombert 9mo ago
You should probably hate Google too, but I think a lot of Palantir hate comes from (well deserved) hatred for Peter Thiel, who has injected himself directly into conservative politics. Billionaires buying their way into the political system should be hated implicitly, no matter their political affiliation.
max_ 9mo ago
Palantir is a spyware company and the CEO Alex Karp has explicitly said that thier goal is to use their tooling to create fear in people and kill people (i.e people deemed enemies of the United States)
- mlrtime 9mo ago
  Are you talking about the quote where he referred to people brining Fentanyl in that is killing people? I didn't see anything wrong with his little speech.
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  - max_ 9mo ago
    Nope, I'm talking about this, its an older video https://youtu.be/G5gC_fParbY https://youtu.be/G5gC_fParbY
int_19h 9mo ago
Google at least pretends to "not be evil". Palantir is proud of their work on the ICE contract.
- 372927251919 9mo ago
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pelorat 9mo ago
Because the founders are evil and should in in prison?
didntknowyou 9mo ago
with a CEO that openly boast their product is great at getting data to kill people, what's there not to hate?
frm88 9mo ago
Palantir have the means and at least in the U. S. the call to compile a database combining personal data over many (public) agencies, making a comprehensive surveillance of a population possible: https://web.archive.org/web/20250530212437/https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/30/technology/trump-palantir-data-americans.html https://web.archive.org/web/20250530212437/https://www.nytim...

m4ck_ 9mo ago

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p0w3n3d 9mo ago
Everyone here is writing as if it was obvious, but I need more details. Could you please share any links on the subject?
- KaiserPro 9mo ago
  Karp memorised oswald mosley's speech for capitulating to hitler: https://nypost.com/2025/11/18/us-news/why-eccentric-palantir-ceo-alex-karp-feels-left-by-the-left/ https://nypost.com/2025/11/18/us-news/why-eccentric-palantir... At best thats wierd, at worst he's an actual fascist (context: Oswald created and ran the british union of fascists in the UK, married the diana mitford with both Goebbels and Hitler present. )
  - mlrtime 9mo ago
    Ahh yes, the left's version of "If you don't agree with us on everything you are a fascist." Boring.
    - filleduchaos 9mo ago
      "If you don't agree with us on everything" and it's someone whose wedding Goebbels and Hitler attended? Interesting.
      - mlrtime 9mo ago
        Godwin's law is irrelevant now.
    - KaiserPro 9mo ago
      Karp isn't british, and its not like Oswald Mosley is that well known in the UK. Mosley's speeches are not common knowledge. For example if you reference "rivers of blood" someone who's vaguely knowledgable in British politics will have a basic understanding of the reference. (Enoch Powell) if you said "Hurray for the black shirts" someone might know you're talking about the daily mail's endorsement of Mosely. But thats the Dailymail, not Mosley. But if you say "britian first speech" you'll get blank looks. Even if you're a politics nerd. So for someone who is pretty uninterested in british politics, to memorise a speech from oswald mosley, is deeply fucking weird. Now, if that had been some politician like Lloyd George or Disraeli, you know someone who was actually a good orator, still weird, but not much else. To memorise a speech from a fascist, who married a fascist, organised a fascist party, was interred for being a fascist, and tell it back to the grandson of that fascist, who you employed mainly because he's the grandson of the fascist, is big fucking tell that he's a bit fascist.
  - Dambalala 9mo ago
    I discussed this with an AI and we concluded: The 1939 Mosley speech at Earls Court was an antisemitic, fascist, anti-parliament speech framed as a call for peace with Nazi Germany and for authoritarian national renewal. Karp quoting it in an interview isn’t evidence of sympathy; it fits his reputation for provocation rather than any shared ideology. The speech itself is a clear example of populist authoritarian rhetoric built on grievance, elite conspiracy, and rejection of liberal democracy. Fascinating that Karp reportedly recited part of the speech to Mosley’s grandson, did some tai chi, left without a goodbye, and then hired him to run Palantir’s UK operation. The speech text is online, but I’m hesitant to link it directly given sensitivities around perceived extremist material and online moderation in the UK.
    - KaiserPro 9mo ago
      > online moderation in the UK. I'm british, fuck that. Read it here: https://www.oswaldmosley.com/britain-first-rally-1939/ https://www.oswaldmosley.com/britain-first-rally-1939/ Also I'd recomend reading it, rather than getting a summary. because you need to see the banality of what he's asking for, and how tame (sadly) it is compared to currently pricks like Jenrick and Farage are asking for now. > Fascinating that Karp reportedly recited part of the speech to Mosley’s grandson recited from memory Again, at best its deeply weird, ungenerously its a power play, at worst is someone who's fascinated by fascism.
- m4ck_ 9mo ago
  Sure thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Cities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Cities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pr%C3%B3spera https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pr%C3%B3spera They want to establish cities that are exempt from most US law and regulation (or whatever host country they leech on to), giving the company that owns the city basically complete power over everything and everyone that has the misfortune to be there. The US recently pardoned a major narco-terrorsist in the hopes of propping up the Honduran experiment. I'll preempt anyone else: Yes I probably exaggerated a bit in how I described the idea. Still, these assholes are working to eliminate wages, labor laws, environmental regs, property ownership, etc.

s5300 9mo ago

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BrenBarn 9mo ago

I think a fair number of people who hate Palantir do hate Google too.

lithocarpus 9mo ago

Palantir is more directly involved in the surveillance state and military industrial complex. Not saying Google isn't, but it's at least not as public or blatant, and is much less of what Google does overall.

cheraderama 9mo ago
Tbh I think public and blatant is preferable.

aprilthird2021 9mo ago

Palantir makes AI to determine if who you are auto droning is a valid target or not. You can imagine why people dislike that, especially given that it's been deployed in Palestine

pageandrew 9mo ago
Would you prefer that militaries have less-capable software to make targeting decisions?
- hackable_sand 9mo ago
  I would prefer that militaries do not deliberately genocide civilians and antagonize non-combatants.
  - XorNot 9mo ago
    That's a "motherhood statement"[1] - you haven't answered the question. Militaries make targeting decisions with data. That's entirely separate to whether they have been ordered by civilian government to target something, and Palantir do not control that part of decision making (you as a voter do! You did vote right?) 1. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/motherhood_statement https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/motherhood_statement
    - dwb 9mo ago
      No it’s not. It’s totally conceivable that the (perceived) quality of targeting data would contribute to the decision of whether to run a mission at all, and if so how extensively.
      - whimsicalism 9mo ago
        isn’t that essentially true of any technology that reduces the civilian casualties of a conflict?

xboxnolifes 9mo ago

Palantir might just pretty up the display of the data that is aggregated by other vendors, which source their data from other vendors, who collect their data from "opt-in" services, which technically explain how they work somewhere in a 200 page ToS. But at some point you gotta look at the sum of the incremental issues and say enough is enough.

tombert 9mo ago

You should probably hate Google too, but I think a lot of Palantir hate comes from (well deserved) hatred for Peter Thiel, who has injected himself directly into conservative politics. Billionaires buying their way into the political system should be hated implicitly, no matter their political affiliation.

max_ 9mo ago

Palantir is a spyware company and the CEO Alex Karp has explicitly said that thier goal is to use their tooling to create fear in people and kill people (i.e people deemed enemies of the United States)

mlrtime 9mo ago
Are you talking about the quote where he referred to people brining Fentanyl in that is killing people? I didn't see anything wrong with his little speech.
- 7492632928 9mo ago
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- max_ 9mo ago
  Nope, I'm talking about this, its an older video https://youtu.be/G5gC_fParbY https://youtu.be/G5gC_fParbY

int_19h 9mo ago

Google at least pretends to "not be evil". Palantir is proud of their work on the ICE contract.

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pelorat 9mo ago

Because the founders are evil and should in in prison?

didntknowyou 9mo ago

with a CEO that openly boast their product is great at getting data to kill people, what's there not to hate?

frm88 9mo ago

Palantir have the means and at least in the U. S. the call to compile a database combining personal data over many (public) agencies, making a comprehensive surveillance of a population possible: https://web.archive.org/web/20250530212437/https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/30/technology/trump-palantir-data-americans.html https://web.archive.org/web/20250530212437/https://www.nytim...