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Yeah. OR. You just ignore the bullshit until the bubble burst. Then we'll see what's left and it will not be what the majority think.

by ldng 9mo ago

falcor84 9mo ago
The "bubble" is in the financial investment, not in the technology. AI won't disappear after the bubble bursts, just like the web didn't disappear after 2000. If anything, bursting the financial bubble will most likely encourage researchers to experiment more, trying a larger range of cheaper approaches, and do more fundamental engineering rather than just scaling. AI is here to stay, and the only thing that can stop it at this stage is a Butlerian jihad.
- ldng 9mo ago
  I maintain, the web today is not what people though it would be in 1998. The tech has it's uses, it's just not what snake oil sellers are making it to be. And talking about Butlerian jihad is borderline snake oil selling.
  - falcor84 9mo ago
    Interesting. What particular 1998 claims do you have in mind that were not (at least approximately) fulfilled?
- design2203 9mo ago
  AI has been here long before LLM’s… also I dislike the people seemingly tying the two terms together as one.
- wiseowise 9mo ago
  Not even Butlerian Jihad will stop the current progress at this point.
  - lo_zamoyski 9mo ago
    Resistance if futile, eh?
- lo_zamoyski 9mo ago
  Borg logic consists of framing matters of choice as "inevitable". As long as those with power convince everyone that technological implementation is "inevitable", people will passively accept their self-serving and destructive technological mastery of the world. The framing allows the rest of us to get ourselves off the hook. "We didn't have a choice! It was INEVITABLE!" And so, we have chosen.
  - falcor84 9mo ago
    But history shows that it is inevitable. Can you give me an example of a single useful technology that humans ever stopped developing because of its negative externalities? > "We didn't have a choice! It was INEVITABLE!" There is no "we". You can call it the tragedy of the commons, or Moloch, or whatever you want, but I don't see how you can convince every single developer and financial sponsor on the planet to stop using and developing this (clearly very useful) tech. And as long as you can't, it's socially inevitable. If you want a practice run, see if you can stop everyone in the world from smoking tobacco, which is so much more clearly detrimental. If you manage that, you might have a small chance at stopping implementation of AI.
    - andrekandre 9mo ago
      > see if you can stop everyone in the world from smoking tobacco this is a logical fallacy i think; nobody needs to stop tobacco full-stop, but we have been extremely successful at making it less and less incentivized/used over time, which is the goal... [1] https://www.lung.org/research/trends-in-lung-disease/tobacco-trends-brief/overall-smoking-trends https://www.lung.org/research/trends-in-lung-disease/tobacco...
tayo42 9mo ago
There seems to be a lot of churn, like how js was. We can just wait and see what the react of llms ends up being.

Yeah. OR. You just ignore the bullshit until the bubble burst. Then we'll see what's left and it will not be what the majority think.

by ldng 9mo ago

Yeah. OR. You just ignore the bullshit until the bubble burst. Then we'll see what's left and it will not be what the majority think.

falcor84 9mo ago

The "bubble" is in the financial investment, not in the technology. AI won't disappear after the bubble bursts, just like the web didn't disappear after 2000. If anything, bursting the financial bubble will most likely encourage researchers to experiment more, trying a larger range of cheaper approaches, and do more fundamental engineering rather than just scaling. AI is here to stay, and the only thing that can stop it at this stage is a Butlerian jihad.

ldng 9mo ago
I maintain, the web today is not what people though it would be in 1998. The tech has it's uses, it's just not what snake oil sellers are making it to be. And talking about Butlerian jihad is borderline snake oil selling.
- falcor84 9mo ago
  Interesting. What particular 1998 claims do you have in mind that were not (at least approximately) fulfilled?
design2203 9mo ago
AI has been here long before LLM’s… also I dislike the people seemingly tying the two terms together as one.
wiseowise 9mo ago
Not even Butlerian Jihad will stop the current progress at this point.
- lo_zamoyski 9mo ago
  Resistance if futile, eh?
lo_zamoyski 9mo ago
Borg logic consists of framing matters of choice as "inevitable". As long as those with power convince everyone that technological implementation is "inevitable", people will passively accept their self-serving and destructive technological mastery of the world. The framing allows the rest of us to get ourselves off the hook. "We didn't have a choice! It was INEVITABLE!" And so, we have chosen.
- falcor84 9mo ago
  But history shows that it is inevitable. Can you give me an example of a single useful technology that humans ever stopped developing because of its negative externalities? > "We didn't have a choice! It was INEVITABLE!" There is no "we". You can call it the tragedy of the commons, or Moloch, or whatever you want, but I don't see how you can convince every single developer and financial sponsor on the planet to stop using and developing this (clearly very useful) tech. And as long as you can't, it's socially inevitable. If you want a practice run, see if you can stop everyone in the world from smoking tobacco, which is so much more clearly detrimental. If you manage that, you might have a small chance at stopping implementation of AI.
  - andrekandre 9mo ago
    > see if you can stop everyone in the world from smoking tobacco this is a logical fallacy i think; nobody needs to stop tobacco full-stop, but we have been extremely successful at making it less and less incentivized/used over time, which is the goal... [1] https://www.lung.org/research/trends-in-lung-disease/tobacco-trends-brief/overall-smoking-trends https://www.lung.org/research/trends-in-lung-disease/tobacco...

tayo42 9mo ago

There seems to be a lot of churn, like how js was. We can just wait and see what the react of llms ends up being.