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That's the problem ideally solved by typed data, i.e., some UI where instead of trying to memorize whether it's thumb/s/nails you can read the closed list of a

by eviks 10mo ago

That's the problem ideally solved by typed data, i.e., some UI where instead of trying to memorize whether it's thumb/s/nails you can read the closed list of alternatives, read contextual help and pick one

my_brain_saying 10mo ago
This is why we have fish tab completions. Does exactly that; list of possible commands with contextual help. Fish rules.
- eviks 10mo ago
  Yeah, no, that's a pale imitation that only addresses the one specific example given. But, like, how would you even know what target formats are supported? Break the flow and look it up or simply read the drop-down list? The free type-any-text interface with poor helpers is the worst in accessibility Which format is the default if no argument is given? Or more complicated contextual knowledge - if you cut 1sec of a video file, does fish autocomplete to tell you whether the video is reencoded or cut (otherwise) losslessly Also, what does fish complete to on Windows?
  - skydhash 10mo ago
    Which flow is being broken here? Especially when the information is easily accessible with `man`.
    - eviks 10mo ago
      the flow that doesn't require you to open a different tab or cancel a command to `man` your way through dozens of poorly searchable pages of documentation, but allows you to continue translating what you want in your mind into the interface command with delay potentially subsecond interrupts
      - skydhash 10mo ago
        Is there kind of rewards for speed running typing ffmpeg flags? Like an advent of ffmpeg? I know what I want to do, I don't know how it's being done, but there's a wealth of information that is very accessible. So I just read it. It's very easy to type `apropos ffmpeg`. And even if you typed `man ffmpeg`, if you go to the end, you will find related manuals name for more information. And you can always use the pager (`less` in most case) facility for quick search. I believe that a lot of frustration comes from people unwilling to learn the conceptual basis of the tools they are using.
        eviks 10mo ago
        What's the reward for trivializing real issues and coming up with broken "solutions"? > It's very easy to type `apropos ffmpeg` No it's not. First, that's not a Windows command, so right off the bat you've cut off the largest OS. Second, your command is naively empty and it's telling that you've given it instead of an actual search query because you wouldn't be able to come up with a great one right away that would result in the correct result at the top - while the correct resuls is "hardcoded" in the field type in the UI. So yeah, go on, find that perfect query and then explain why you think every single user should be able to do the same quickly. Then you can think about how justified your other beliefs are about basic workflow issues you don't understand
        skydhash 10mo ago
        > What's the reward for trivializing real issues and coming up with broken "solutions" Then any solutions is broken in this way. Even my bluetooth speaker comes with a manual. Not reading it and saying the speaker is broken, because you can't figure how to connect is pure delusion. Same as not reading ffmpeg manual and expecting to know how to use it. > First, that's not a Windows command, so right off the bat you've cut off the largest OS. ffmpeg on Window is so far the beaten path that it may as well be in Mordor. I would gladly bet that someone that knows how to run ffmpeg on windows also knows how to find the documentation for it. > So yeah, go on, find that perfect query Why would I find the perfect query? Do you go in the library and then find the correct line of the correct book in one go? Or do you consult the list of books of books for a theme, select a few candidates, consult their index, and then read the pages? Then all of that is left to do is to note down the reference if you need to consult the book again (no need to remember everything).
    - NooneAtAll3 10mo ago
      "why would one solve the problem with one drop-down menu if you can solve it with 20 minutes of browsing walls of text" lol
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by eviks 10mo ago

my_brain_saying 10mo ago

This is why we have fish tab completions. Does exactly that; list of possible commands with contextual help. Fish rules.

eviks 10mo ago
Yeah, no, that's a pale imitation that only addresses the one specific example given. But, like, how would you even know what target formats are supported? Break the flow and look it up or simply read the drop-down list? The free type-any-text interface with poor helpers is the worst in accessibility Which format is the default if no argument is given? Or more complicated contextual knowledge - if you cut 1sec of a video file, does fish autocomplete to tell you whether the video is reencoded or cut (otherwise) losslessly Also, what does fish complete to on Windows?
- skydhash 10mo ago
  Which flow is being broken here? Especially when the information is easily accessible with `man`.
  - eviks 10mo ago
    the flow that doesn't require you to open a different tab or cancel a command to `man` your way through dozens of poorly searchable pages of documentation, but allows you to continue translating what you want in your mind into the interface command with delay potentially subsecond interrupts
    - skydhash 10mo ago
      Is there kind of rewards for speed running typing ffmpeg flags? Like an advent of ffmpeg? I know what I want to do, I don't know how it's being done, but there's a wealth of information that is very accessible. So I just read it. It's very easy to type `apropos ffmpeg`. And even if you typed `man ffmpeg`, if you go to the end, you will find related manuals name for more information. And you can always use the pager (`less` in most case) facility for quick search. I believe that a lot of frustration comes from people unwilling to learn the conceptual basis of the tools they are using.
      - eviks 10mo ago
        What's the reward for trivializing real issues and coming up with broken "solutions"? > It's very easy to type `apropos ffmpeg` No it's not. First, that's not a Windows command, so right off the bat you've cut off the largest OS. Second, your command is naively empty and it's telling that you've given it instead of an actual search query because you wouldn't be able to come up with a great one right away that would result in the correct result at the top - while the correct resuls is "hardcoded" in the field type in the UI. So yeah, go on, find that perfect query and then explain why you think every single user should be able to do the same quickly. Then you can think about how justified your other beliefs are about basic workflow issues you don't understand
        skydhash 10mo ago
        > What's the reward for trivializing real issues and coming up with broken "solutions" Then any solutions is broken in this way. Even my bluetooth speaker comes with a manual. Not reading it and saying the speaker is broken, because you can't figure how to connect is pure delusion. Same as not reading ffmpeg manual and expecting to know how to use it. > First, that's not a Windows command, so right off the bat you've cut off the largest OS. ffmpeg on Window is so far the beaten path that it may as well be in Mordor. I would gladly bet that someone that knows how to run ffmpeg on windows also knows how to find the documentation for it. > So yeah, go on, find that perfect query Why would I find the perfect query? Do you go in the library and then find the correct line of the correct book in one go? Or do you consult the list of books of books for a theme, select a few candidates, consult their index, and then read the pages? Then all of that is left to do is to note down the reference if you need to consult the book again (no need to remember everything).
  - NooneAtAll3 10mo ago
    "why would one solve the problem with one drop-down menu if you can solve it with 20 minutes of browsing walls of text" lol
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