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The written offer is part of the licence, as is the need to respond to that offer with the source code offered. It is all part of the same agreement. A written

The written offer is part of the licence, as is the need to respond to that offer with the source code offered. It is all part of the same agreement. A written offer on its own would not normally be directly enforceable in many (most?) jurisdictions, for the same sort of reason that retailers can't be held to incorrectly published prices (in the UK at least, a displayed price is an “invitation to tender”, not a contract or other promise) except where other laws/regulations (anti bait&switch rules for instance), or the desire to avoid fighting in the court of public opinion, come into effect. But in this instance, the written offer and the response to that offer are part of the wider licence that has been agreed to.

teddyh 10mo ago
I don’t think so; I can’t recall any support for such a connection between the written offer and the GPL itself written into the GPL license text.
- abdullahkhalids 10mo ago
  From section 4 [1] > If distribution of object code is made by offering access to copy from a designated place, then offering equivalent access to copy the source code from the same place satisfies the requirement to distribute the source code, even though third parties are not compelled to copy the source along with the object code. Similar clauses in Sec 6. [1] https://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/lgpl-2.1.html https://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/lgpl-2.1.html
  - teddyh 10mo ago
    That section (and similar in section 6d) is not about the written offer of source code. The written offer of source code is instead covered in section 6c.
    - abdullahkhalids 10mo ago
      Ah.. Thanks > c) Accompany the work with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to give the same user the materials specified in Subsection 6a, above, for a charge no more than the cost of performing this distribution.
      - immibis 10mo ago
        So according to the legal theory expressed in this thread so far, nobody can sue anybody and there's no obligation to provide source code. The copyright holder couldn't sue because the license was followed (an offer was provided) and the end user couldn't sue because the offer doesn't have to be followed up on. Or, instead of theorycrafting reasons why it shouldn't work, you could "just" sue them and see if the judge agrees.
Joker_vD 10mo ago
> the same sort of reason that retailers can't be held to incorrectly published prices (in the UK at least, a displayed price is an “invitation to tender”, not a contract or other promise) The hell? Over here, the price tags are a sort of public contract, to which the seller pre-commits. The seller forgot to change the tags? That's not the buyer's problem.
- ivell 10mo ago
  Since money has not exchanged hands, you could always decide not to buy at the counter. So atleast in the countries I have been, it is not legally binding.
  - sznio 10mo ago
    it's still bait-and-switch
    - dspillett 10mo ago
      Only if deliberate. If the incorrect price is corrected as soon as the problem is noticed then that is (legally) fine. If the incorrect price is left displayed, or was put up deliberately to draw people in, then it is bait & switch. The other solid bait & switch is advertising a product that they don't have any of to sell, in the hope that you'll come in and buy something more expensive (or lower value) instead.

teddyh 10mo ago

I don’t think so; I can’t recall any support for such a connection between the written offer and the GPL itself written into the GPL license text.

abdullahkhalids 10mo ago
From section 4 [1] > If distribution of object code is made by offering access to copy from a designated place, then offering equivalent access to copy the source code from the same place satisfies the requirement to distribute the source code, even though third parties are not compelled to copy the source along with the object code. Similar clauses in Sec 6. [1] https://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/lgpl-2.1.html https://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/lgpl-2.1.html
- teddyh 10mo ago
  That section (and similar in section 6d) is not about the written offer of source code. The written offer of source code is instead covered in section 6c.
  - abdullahkhalids 10mo ago
    Ah.. Thanks > c) Accompany the work with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to give the same user the materials specified in Subsection 6a, above, for a charge no more than the cost of performing this distribution.
    - immibis 10mo ago
      So according to the legal theory expressed in this thread so far, nobody can sue anybody and there's no obligation to provide source code. The copyright holder couldn't sue because the license was followed (an offer was provided) and the end user couldn't sue because the offer doesn't have to be followed up on. Or, instead of theorycrafting reasons why it shouldn't work, you could "just" sue them and see if the judge agrees.

Joker_vD 10mo ago

> the same sort of reason that retailers can't be held to incorrectly published prices (in the UK at least, a displayed price is an “invitation to tender”, not a contract or other promise) The hell? Over here, the price tags are a sort of public contract, to which the seller pre-commits. The seller forgot to change the tags? That's not the buyer's problem.

ivell 10mo ago
Since money has not exchanged hands, you could always decide not to buy at the counter. So atleast in the countries I have been, it is not legally binding.
- sznio 10mo ago
  it's still bait-and-switch
  - dspillett 10mo ago
    Only if deliberate. If the incorrect price is corrected as soon as the problem is noticed then that is (legally) fine. If the incorrect price is left displayed, or was put up deliberately to draw people in, then it is bait & switch. The other solid bait & switch is advertising a product that they don't have any of to sell, in the hope that you'll come in and buy something more expensive (or lower value) instead.