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The NRA always forgets the second part: “People kill people… using guns. Tools that we manufacture expressly for that purpose.”

by dstroot 9mo ago

saidnooneever 9mo ago
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- xxs 9mo ago
  significantly less likely in cases of mass shootings, e.g. schools.
- LunaSea 9mo ago
  The statistics of non-US countries disprove your theory.
  - saidnooneever 9mo ago
    this could simply be difference in culture or education. you might not beleive it but in EU also every day ppl get shot and murdered. driven over with car stabbed, strangled raped etc etc. its not so much in mass media, (diff in culture). the vast majority of such cases doesnt make it even into local news let alone national or international.
    - LunaSea 9mo ago
      > but in EU also every day ppl get shot and murdered Sure, let's look at the numbers together : - Homicide rate in the EU in 2023 : ~1.3 to 1.4 per 100,000 [1] - Homicide rate in the US in 2023 : 5.7 per 100,000 [2] So, I'm 4x more likely to get killed in the US than in the EU. > the vast majority of such cases doesnt make it even into local news let alone national or international Do you really believe that murders don't get published in the media in the EU? This is a ridiculous assertion. Source please! [1] https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/SEPDF/cache/50636.pdf https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/SEPDF/cac... [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/191223/reported-murder-and-nonnegligent-manslaughter-rate-in-the-us-since-1990/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/191223/reported-murder-a...
- vineyardmike 9mo ago
  Guns make it faster and easier to be successful than alternatives, and their explicit only purpose is to do so. It enables short and impulsive actions to be lethal before you and those around you think through your behavior. Comparatively, the people in this article are using tools which have a variety of benign purposes to do something bad. Similarly though, they probably wouldn’t have gone through with it if they had to set up an email server on hardware they bought and then manually installed in a colo and then set up a DNS server and a GPU for the neural network they trained and hosted themselves.

The NRA always forgets the second part: “People kill people… using guns. Tools that we manufacture expressly for that purpose.”

by dstroot 9mo ago

The NRA always forgets the second part: “People kill people… using guns. Tools that we manufacture expressly for that purpose.”

saidnooneever 9mo ago

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xxs 9mo ago
significantly less likely in cases of mass shootings, e.g. schools.
LunaSea 9mo ago
The statistics of non-US countries disprove your theory.
- saidnooneever 9mo ago
  this could simply be difference in culture or education. you might not beleive it but in EU also every day ppl get shot and murdered. driven over with car stabbed, strangled raped etc etc. its not so much in mass media, (diff in culture). the vast majority of such cases doesnt make it even into local news let alone national or international.
  - LunaSea 9mo ago
    > but in EU also every day ppl get shot and murdered Sure, let's look at the numbers together : - Homicide rate in the EU in 2023 : ~1.3 to 1.4 per 100,000 [1] - Homicide rate in the US in 2023 : 5.7 per 100,000 [2] So, I'm 4x more likely to get killed in the US than in the EU. > the vast majority of such cases doesnt make it even into local news let alone national or international Do you really believe that murders don't get published in the media in the EU? This is a ridiculous assertion. Source please! [1] https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/SEPDF/cache/50636.pdf https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/SEPDF/cac... [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/191223/reported-murder-and-nonnegligent-manslaughter-rate-in-the-us-since-1990/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/191223/reported-murder-a...
vineyardmike 9mo ago
Guns make it faster and easier to be successful than alternatives, and their explicit only purpose is to do so. It enables short and impulsive actions to be lethal before you and those around you think through your behavior. Comparatively, the people in this article are using tools which have a variety of benign purposes to do something bad. Similarly though, they probably wouldn’t have gone through with it if they had to set up an email server on hardware they bought and then manually installed in a colo and then set up a DNS server and a GPU for the neural network they trained and hosted themselves.