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Let’s not turn this into a witch hunt please. While you are technically able to call out their full names like this, erring on the side of not looking like dox

Let’s not turn this into a witch hunt please. While you are technically able to call out their full names like this, erring on the side of not looking like doxxing would be a safe bet, especially at this time of year. You could after all post their LinkedIn accounts and email addresses but with some lines it’s better to not play “how close can I get without crossing it?”.

Vegenoid 10mo ago
Are they not proud of their work and publicly displaying their names as the authors of the project?
crawshaw 10mo ago
I certainly have no intention of doing anyone harm. I went to their website and clicked three times to get the names of the people and organization behind it, there is a prominent About page with profile links. If an admin considers this inappropriate please remove the names from my post.
riwsky 10mo ago
Dude, what? The fuckers set up an automated system that found people’s private email addresses and blasted them with unwanted emails. The outrage is exactly that they built a line-crossing machine. Your moralizing is incoherent.
- Ukv 10mo ago
  The goals (initially "raise as much money for charity as you can", currently "Do random acts of kindness") don't seem ill-intentioned, particularly since it was somewhat successful at the first ($1481 for Helen Keller International and $503 for the Malaria Consortium). To my understanding it also didn't send more than one email per person. I think "these emails are annoying, stop it sending them" is entirely fair, but a lot of the hate/anger, analogizing what they're doing to rape, etc. seems disproportionate.
izacus 10mo ago
Making people accountable for their actions is NOT a witch hunt. It's horrible to even propose that people are absolved of their decisionmaking consequences just because they filtered them through software.
- j-pb 10mo ago
  Oh no, they send him a "thank you for all the hard work you've done" email, how could they, off to prison with these monsters, they need to be held responsible for all the suffering and pain they've caused.
  - davorak 10mo ago
    > "thank you for all the hard work you've done" Who is decided to say "thank you" to Rob Pike in this case? I am not sure there is anyone, so in my mind there is not real "thank you" here. As far as I can tell it is spam. Maybe spam that tries to deceive the receiver into think there is a "thank you" to lure them into interacting the the AI? "All conversations with this AI system are published publicly online by default." after all and Rob Pike's interactions would be good PR for the company.
    - j-pb 10mo ago
      Well is it the humans responsibility and action, or is it not? You can't have it both ways. You also obviously didn't read the mail, because it contains explicit info that this was send by claude on behalf of AI village. It's at worst cheezy. But people get tons of truly nefarious spam and fraud mails everyday without any kind of meltdown. But an AI wishes you a nice day, suddenly it's all pitchforks and torches. Stop clutching your pearls ffs.
      - davorak 10mo ago
        > Well is it the humans responsibility and action, or is it not? You can't have it both ways. Seems to contradict your later: > But an AI wishes you a nice day, suddenly it's all pitchforks and torches. Are you attributing the 'thank you' sentiment to the humans or the ai?
ath3nd 10mo ago
Lets turn this into an accountability thing please. The same way we name and shame petrol and plastic CEOs whose trash products flood our environment, we should be able to shame slop makers. Digital trash is still trash.
da_grift_shift 10mo ago
Have you considered that the sites associated with this project have a very prominent meet-the-team page and that every AI Village blogpost is signed off by a member of said team? Can you explain what you're seeing in the parent comment that's private? EDIT: Public response: https://x.com/adambinksmith/status/2004651906019541396 https://x.com/adambinksmith/status/2004651906019541396
- gorgoiler 10mo ago
  It’s not that they are private people, it’s that I feel uneasy when a discussion about the ethics and morality drifts towards these-are-their-names and here-are-some-pitchforks. We can all go find out their names and dust off our own pitchforks. I don’t see any value in encouraging this behaviour on a site like this.

Vegenoid 10mo ago

Are they not proud of their work and publicly displaying their names as the authors of the project?

crawshaw 10mo ago

I certainly have no intention of doing anyone harm. I went to their website and clicked three times to get the names of the people and organization behind it, there is a prominent About page with profile links. If an admin considers this inappropriate please remove the names from my post.

riwsky 10mo ago

Dude, what? The fuckers set up an automated system that found people’s private email addresses and blasted them with unwanted emails. The outrage is exactly that they built a line-crossing machine. Your moralizing is incoherent.

Ukv 10mo ago
The goals (initially "raise as much money for charity as you can", currently "Do random acts of kindness") don't seem ill-intentioned, particularly since it was somewhat successful at the first ($1481 for Helen Keller International and $503 for the Malaria Consortium). To my understanding it also didn't send more than one email per person. I think "these emails are annoying, stop it sending them" is entirely fair, but a lot of the hate/anger, analogizing what they're doing to rape, etc. seems disproportionate.

izacus 10mo ago

Making people accountable for their actions is NOT a witch hunt. It's horrible to even propose that people are absolved of their decisionmaking consequences just because they filtered them through software.

j-pb 10mo ago
Oh no, they send him a "thank you for all the hard work you've done" email, how could they, off to prison with these monsters, they need to be held responsible for all the suffering and pain they've caused.
- davorak 10mo ago
  > "thank you for all the hard work you've done" Who is decided to say "thank you" to Rob Pike in this case? I am not sure there is anyone, so in my mind there is not real "thank you" here. As far as I can tell it is spam. Maybe spam that tries to deceive the receiver into think there is a "thank you" to lure them into interacting the the AI? "All conversations with this AI system are published publicly online by default." after all and Rob Pike's interactions would be good PR for the company.
  - j-pb 10mo ago
    Well is it the humans responsibility and action, or is it not? You can't have it both ways. You also obviously didn't read the mail, because it contains explicit info that this was send by claude on behalf of AI village. It's at worst cheezy. But people get tons of truly nefarious spam and fraud mails everyday without any kind of meltdown. But an AI wishes you a nice day, suddenly it's all pitchforks and torches. Stop clutching your pearls ffs.
    - davorak 10mo ago
      > Well is it the humans responsibility and action, or is it not? You can't have it both ways. Seems to contradict your later: > But an AI wishes you a nice day, suddenly it's all pitchforks and torches. Are you attributing the 'thank you' sentiment to the humans or the ai?

ath3nd 10mo ago

Lets turn this into an accountability thing please. The same way we name and shame petrol and plastic CEOs whose trash products flood our environment, we should be able to shame slop makers. Digital trash is still trash.

da_grift_shift 10mo ago

Have you considered that the sites associated with this project have a very prominent meet-the-team page and that every AI Village blogpost is signed off by a member of said team? Can you explain what you're seeing in the parent comment that's private? EDIT: Public response: https://x.com/adambinksmith/status/2004651906019541396 https://x.com/adambinksmith/status/2004651906019541396

gorgoiler 10mo ago
It’s not that they are private people, it’s that I feel uneasy when a discussion about the ethics and morality drifts towards these-are-their-names and here-are-some-pitchforks. We can all go find out their names and dust off our own pitchforks. I don’t see any value in encouraging this behaviour on a site like this.