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What isn't shown on the video link is the agenda behind the video. It's a conclusion-first, craft evidence later fare that is useful for generating outrage agai

What isn't shown on the video link is the agenda behind the video. It's a conclusion-first, craft evidence later fare that is useful for generating outrage against unliked people. About the creator (Reuters): One late afternoon in mid-May, a half dozen Hispanic day laborers were paid $20 each to parade in front of the White House on camera, holding signs with slogans like "I Love Biden" and "I Need Work Permit for My Family." The stunt was orchestrated by Nick Shirley, a pro-[now potus] online influencer who often asks migrants on camera if they support Democratic President Joe Biden or think he made it easier for them to come to the U.S. ref: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/pro-trump-influencers-fire-up-fears-migrant-invasion-ahead-us-election-2024-06-13/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/pro-trump-influencers-fire-...

almosthere 10mo ago
So the fraud doesn't matter? What journalist would you trust so this story is real?
- WarOnPrivacy 10mo ago
  You deal with the fraud in front of you first. Here the most prominent (and most egregious!) fraud is crafting stories out of nothing that tightly adhere to predrawn conclusions. There will never be enough facts (actual or otherwise) to sprinkle into this creator's stories that his tales will ever be anything other than bad-faith fiction.
  - almosthere 10mo ago
    So no truth is enough. It's so against your personal belief system that it's worth ignoring.
    - WarOnPrivacy 10mo ago
      When content is untruthful as delivered, whatever truth it contains is of the lowest possible value. In this place, we are merely picking bones from garbage. A better space to occupy is one shared by folks who are acting in good faith.
      - almosthere 10mo ago
        I don't wish to discuss anything with someone that talks in memes. You're using it to avoid discussion. What specifically is not truthful in the video?
        WarOnPrivacy 10mo ago
        > I don't wish to discuss anything with someone that talks in memes. [ed: yet, you next indicate otherwise by asking] What specifically is not truthful in the video? You are being inconsistent in your expressions here. This makes this conversation a matter of guesswork. Will you take seriously, the evidence that the video creator has a long history of bad faith? If so, why keep trying to advance his video? If not, then that is where this discussion is.
        almosthere 10mo ago
        The larger story is everywhere: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDWWDyckVxk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDWWDyckVxk This hit the news a few weeks ago. Nick's coverage is a specific branch that has not been covered yet. I also asked you early on in our discussion which journalist you would trust, and you did not answer. I like Nick Shirley, and I don't think he does bad faith reporting. If that sentence makes you want to leave the conversation, then congrats, just another leftist that does not want to engage on the arguments. I answered your question, now you answer mine.
        WarOnPrivacy 10mo ago
        > I also asked you early on in our discussion which journalist you would trust, and you did not answer. Anyone at Techdirt. Joseph Cox and likely anyone at 404 Media. April Glaser, Marcy Wheeler, Elizabeth Nolan Brown (mostly editor now). Others (not coming to mind atm).
        almosthere 10mo ago
        Thank you for both replies. I have been hit hard with work (I'm building my own house and work full time) so it's been hard to formulate a response and research. What I was going to do is try to email all of these journalists and ask for their honest opinion about the story. That's it.

almosthere 10mo ago

So the fraud doesn't matter? What journalist would you trust so this story is real?

WarOnPrivacy 10mo ago
You deal with the fraud in front of you first. Here the most prominent (and most egregious!) fraud is crafting stories out of nothing that tightly adhere to predrawn conclusions. There will never be enough facts (actual or otherwise) to sprinkle into this creator's stories that his tales will ever be anything other than bad-faith fiction.
- almosthere 10mo ago
  So no truth is enough. It's so against your personal belief system that it's worth ignoring.
  - WarOnPrivacy 10mo ago
    When content is untruthful as delivered, whatever truth it contains is of the lowest possible value. In this place, we are merely picking bones from garbage. A better space to occupy is one shared by folks who are acting in good faith.
    - almosthere 10mo ago
      I don't wish to discuss anything with someone that talks in memes. You're using it to avoid discussion. What specifically is not truthful in the video?
      - WarOnPrivacy 10mo ago
        > I don't wish to discuss anything with someone that talks in memes. [ed: yet, you next indicate otherwise by asking] What specifically is not truthful in the video? You are being inconsistent in your expressions here. This makes this conversation a matter of guesswork. Will you take seriously, the evidence that the video creator has a long history of bad faith? If so, why keep trying to advance his video? If not, then that is where this discussion is.
        almosthere 10mo ago
        The larger story is everywhere: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDWWDyckVxk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDWWDyckVxk This hit the news a few weeks ago. Nick's coverage is a specific branch that has not been covered yet. I also asked you early on in our discussion which journalist you would trust, and you did not answer. I like Nick Shirley, and I don't think he does bad faith reporting. If that sentence makes you want to leave the conversation, then congrats, just another leftist that does not want to engage on the arguments. I answered your question, now you answer mine.
        WarOnPrivacy 10mo ago
        > I also asked you early on in our discussion which journalist you would trust, and you did not answer. Anyone at Techdirt. Joseph Cox and likely anyone at 404 Media. April Glaser, Marcy Wheeler, Elizabeth Nolan Brown (mostly editor now). Others (not coming to mind atm).
        almosthere 10mo ago
        Thank you for both replies. I have been hit hard with work (I'm building my own house and work full time) so it's been hard to formulate a response and research. What I was going to do is try to email all of these journalists and ask for their honest opinion about the story. That's it.