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I cannot comment on whether America is becoming a police state or not because i am a greencard holder subject to cancellation of the greencard at any time at th

I cannot comment on whether America is becoming a police state or not because i am a greencard holder subject to cancellation of the greencard at any time at the whims of the current administration.

tomrod 9mo ago
At the rate they are also arresting citizens, I think there is no one truly safe.
Someone1234 9mo ago
Unfortunately even if you naturalize, they're now floating the concept of denaturalization for people opposed to the regime. It is wise if you are or were a legal immigrant (or have family members who are), to keep your head down.
- shafyy 9mo ago
  But that's exactly wrong. The people have the power, but only if enough people resist.
  - Someone1234 9mo ago
    Suggesting that the most legally vulnerable group be careful isn't wrong, it is the reality for which they find themselves. 66%~ of the US either voted for this, or were indifferent about it, and are a group which cannot be deported/denaturalized. Perhaps that group should step up instead of the <1% who are most at risk from legal administrative threats. I think it quite telling hearing born-Americans asking green card and naturalized citizens to be their "resistance" for decisions they themselves made. Reads like looking for cannon fodder, who can just be trivially deported/denaturalized while the immune citizenship sits back and points at how bad things are.
    - Ritewut 9mo ago
      The group of people who voted for this needs to stand up against it and I don't see that happening because it requires admitting you were wrong and got conned and people would rather die than do that.
      - itsdrewmiller 9mo ago
        If true there would be no one term presidents
    - catlover76 9mo ago
      [dead]
    - shafyy 9mo ago
      FWIW, I am not American and I don't live in the US. But yes, you are right of course. For some part of this group. But there are also many immigrants who can afford to speak up, because they are not necessarily refugees who would get deported back to a warzone or similar. In the end though, the targeted and vulnerable group need to stand up for themselves, others won't do it. I know it sucks, but it's the reality unfortunately. And yes, others from more comfortable groups should also make a stand (and some people are), but history shows that not many will.
- expedition32 9mo ago
  I would advise people from EU or Canada not to become US citizens. When shit goes bad you always have an exit. Meanwhile Americans who "vote with their feet" will be stopped.
- morkalork 9mo ago
  >It is wise <snip> to keep your head down. Everyone is making the comparison to China but when I see comments like this, I think of countries like Russia where street interviews of the average citizen invariably result in answers like "I'm not political" and "I have no opinion"
- throw0101c 9mo ago
  > Unfortunately even if you naturalize, they're now floating the concept of denaturalization for people opposed to the regime. They're now floating that birthright citizenship under the 14th isn't really a birthright: * https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/protecting-the-meaning-and-value-of-american-citizenship/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/prot... * https://www.npr.org/2025/03/14/nx-s1-5327552/trump-takes-birthright-citizenship-to-the-supreme-court https://www.npr.org/2025/03/14/nx-s1-5327552/trump-takes-bir... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_Un...

I cannot comment on whether America is becoming a police state or not because i am a greencard holder subject to cancellation of the greencard at any time at the whims of the current administration.

tomrod 9mo ago

At the rate they are also arresting citizens, I think there is no one truly safe.

Someone1234 9mo ago

Unfortunately even if you naturalize, they're now floating the concept of denaturalization for people opposed to the regime. It is wise if you are or were a legal immigrant (or have family members who are), to keep your head down.

shafyy 9mo ago
But that's exactly wrong. The people have the power, but only if enough people resist.
- Someone1234 9mo ago
  Suggesting that the most legally vulnerable group be careful isn't wrong, it is the reality for which they find themselves. 66%~ of the US either voted for this, or were indifferent about it, and are a group which cannot be deported/denaturalized. Perhaps that group should step up instead of the <1% who are most at risk from legal administrative threats. I think it quite telling hearing born-Americans asking green card and naturalized citizens to be their "resistance" for decisions they themselves made. Reads like looking for cannon fodder, who can just be trivially deported/denaturalized while the immune citizenship sits back and points at how bad things are.
  - Ritewut 9mo ago
    The group of people who voted for this needs to stand up against it and I don't see that happening because it requires admitting you were wrong and got conned and people would rather die than do that.
    - itsdrewmiller 9mo ago
      If true there would be no one term presidents
  - catlover76 9mo ago
    [dead]
  - shafyy 9mo ago
    FWIW, I am not American and I don't live in the US. But yes, you are right of course. For some part of this group. But there are also many immigrants who can afford to speak up, because they are not necessarily refugees who would get deported back to a warzone or similar. In the end though, the targeted and vulnerable group need to stand up for themselves, others won't do it. I know it sucks, but it's the reality unfortunately. And yes, others from more comfortable groups should also make a stand (and some people are), but history shows that not many will.
expedition32 9mo ago
I would advise people from EU or Canada not to become US citizens. When shit goes bad you always have an exit. Meanwhile Americans who "vote with their feet" will be stopped.
morkalork 9mo ago
>It is wise <snip> to keep your head down. Everyone is making the comparison to China but when I see comments like this, I think of countries like Russia where street interviews of the average citizen invariably result in answers like "I'm not political" and "I have no opinion"
throw0101c 9mo ago
> Unfortunately even if you naturalize, they're now floating the concept of denaturalization for people opposed to the regime. They're now floating that birthright citizenship under the 14th isn't really a birthright: * https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/protecting-the-meaning-and-value-of-american-citizenship/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/prot... * https://www.npr.org/2025/03/14/nx-s1-5327552/trump-takes-birthright-citizenship-to-the-supreme-court https://www.npr.org/2025/03/14/nx-s1-5327552/trump-takes-bir... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_Un...