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This is really the only answer. ICE is a Trojan Horse. It's like "protect the children." It's just a justifiable means to get what they really want which is mor

by Ritewut 10mo ago

This is really the only answer. ICE is a Trojan Horse. It's like "protect the children." It's just a justifiable means to get what they really want which is more control. America is desperately trying to turn into China in more ways than one.

AnotherGoodName 10mo ago
I cannot comment on whether America is becoming a police state or not because i am a greencard holder subject to cancellation of the greencard at any time at the whims of the current administration.
- tomrod 10mo ago
  At the rate they are also arresting citizens, I think there is no one truly safe.
- Someone1234 10mo ago
  Unfortunately even if you naturalize, they're now floating the concept of denaturalization for people opposed to the regime. It is wise if you are or were a legal immigrant (or have family members who are), to keep your head down.
  - shafyy 10mo ago
    But that's exactly wrong. The people have the power, but only if enough people resist.
    - Someone1234 10mo ago
      Suggesting that the most legally vulnerable group be careful isn't wrong, it is the reality for which they find themselves. 66%~ of the US either voted for this, or were indifferent about it, and are a group which cannot be deported/denaturalized. Perhaps that group should step up instead of the <1% who are most at risk from legal administrative threats. I think it quite telling hearing born-Americans asking green card and naturalized citizens to be their "resistance" for decisions they themselves made. Reads like looking for cannon fodder, who can just be trivially deported/denaturalized while the immune citizenship sits back and points at how bad things are.
      - Ritewut 10mo ago
        The group of people who voted for this needs to stand up against it and I don't see that happening because it requires admitting you were wrong and got conned and people would rather die than do that.
        itsdrewmiller 10mo ago
        If true there would be no one term presidents
      - catlover76 10mo ago
        [dead]
      - shafyy 10mo ago
        FWIW, I am not American and I don't live in the US. But yes, you are right of course. For some part of this group. But there are also many immigrants who can afford to speak up, because they are not necessarily refugees who would get deported back to a warzone or similar. In the end though, the targeted and vulnerable group need to stand up for themselves, others won't do it. I know it sucks, but it's the reality unfortunately. And yes, others from more comfortable groups should also make a stand (and some people are), but history shows that not many will.
  - expedition32 10mo ago
    I would advise people from EU or Canada not to become US citizens. When shit goes bad you always have an exit. Meanwhile Americans who "vote with their feet" will be stopped.
  - morkalork 10mo ago
    >It is wise <snip> to keep your head down. Everyone is making the comparison to China but when I see comments like this, I think of countries like Russia where street interviews of the average citizen invariably result in answers like "I'm not political" and "I have no opinion"
  - throw0101c 10mo ago
    > Unfortunately even if you naturalize, they're now floating the concept of denaturalization for people opposed to the regime. They're now floating that birthright citizenship under the 14th isn't really a birthright: * https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/protecting-the-meaning-and-value-of-american-citizenship/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/prot... * https://www.npr.org/2025/03/14/nx-s1-5327552/trump-takes-birthright-citizenship-to-the-supreme-court https://www.npr.org/2025/03/14/nx-s1-5327552/trump-takes-bir... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_Un...
azinman2 10mo ago
“America is desperately trying to turn into China in more ways than one” Except without the long term thinking and investment.
- CSSer 10mo ago
  Oh they're thinking long-term about someone. It's just not you or I.

by Ritewut 10mo ago

AnotherGoodName 10mo ago

I cannot comment on whether America is becoming a police state or not because i am a greencard holder subject to cancellation of the greencard at any time at the whims of the current administration.

tomrod 10mo ago
At the rate they are also arresting citizens, I think there is no one truly safe.
Someone1234 10mo ago
Unfortunately even if you naturalize, they're now floating the concept of denaturalization for people opposed to the regime. It is wise if you are or were a legal immigrant (or have family members who are), to keep your head down.
- shafyy 10mo ago
  But that's exactly wrong. The people have the power, but only if enough people resist.
  - Someone1234 10mo ago
    Suggesting that the most legally vulnerable group be careful isn't wrong, it is the reality for which they find themselves. 66%~ of the US either voted for this, or were indifferent about it, and are a group which cannot be deported/denaturalized. Perhaps that group should step up instead of the <1% who are most at risk from legal administrative threats. I think it quite telling hearing born-Americans asking green card and naturalized citizens to be their "resistance" for decisions they themselves made. Reads like looking for cannon fodder, who can just be trivially deported/denaturalized while the immune citizenship sits back and points at how bad things are.
    - Ritewut 10mo ago
      The group of people who voted for this needs to stand up against it and I don't see that happening because it requires admitting you were wrong and got conned and people would rather die than do that.
      - itsdrewmiller 10mo ago
        If true there would be no one term presidents
    - catlover76 10mo ago
      [dead]
    - shafyy 10mo ago
      FWIW, I am not American and I don't live in the US. But yes, you are right of course. For some part of this group. But there are also many immigrants who can afford to speak up, because they are not necessarily refugees who would get deported back to a warzone or similar. In the end though, the targeted and vulnerable group need to stand up for themselves, others won't do it. I know it sucks, but it's the reality unfortunately. And yes, others from more comfortable groups should also make a stand (and some people are), but history shows that not many will.
- expedition32 10mo ago
  I would advise people from EU or Canada not to become US citizens. When shit goes bad you always have an exit. Meanwhile Americans who "vote with their feet" will be stopped.
- morkalork 10mo ago
  >It is wise <snip> to keep your head down. Everyone is making the comparison to China but when I see comments like this, I think of countries like Russia where street interviews of the average citizen invariably result in answers like "I'm not political" and "I have no opinion"
- throw0101c 10mo ago
  > Unfortunately even if you naturalize, they're now floating the concept of denaturalization for people opposed to the regime. They're now floating that birthright citizenship under the 14th isn't really a birthright: * https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/protecting-the-meaning-and-value-of-american-citizenship/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/prot... * https://www.npr.org/2025/03/14/nx-s1-5327552/trump-takes-birthright-citizenship-to-the-supreme-court https://www.npr.org/2025/03/14/nx-s1-5327552/trump-takes-bir... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_Un...

azinman2 10mo ago

“America is desperately trying to turn into China in more ways than one” Except without the long term thinking and investment.

CSSer 10mo ago
Oh they're thinking long-term about someone. It's just not you or I.