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ICE is being used as the tip of the spear to complete the transition of the USA to a police state
by manbart 9mo ago
ICE is being used as the tip of the spear to complete the transition of the USA to a police state
- Ritewut 9mo agoThis is really the only answer. ICE is a Trojan Horse. It's like "protect the children." It's just a justifiable means to get what they really want which is more control. America is desperately trying to turn into China in more ways than one.
- AnotherGoodName 9mo agoI cannot comment on whether America is becoming a police state or not because i am a greencard holder subject to cancellation of the greencard at any time at the whims of the current administration.
- tomrod 9mo agoAt the rate they are also arresting citizens, I think there is no one truly safe.
- Someone1234 9mo agoUnfortunately even if you naturalize, they're now floating the concept of denaturalization for people opposed to the regime. It is wise if you are or were a legal immigrant (or have family members who are), to keep your head down.
- shafyy 9mo agoBut that's exactly wrong. The people have the power, but only if enough people resist.
- Someone1234 9mo agoSuggesting that the most legally vulnerable group be careful isn't wrong, it is the reality for which they find themselves. 66%~ of the US either voted for this, or were indifferent about it, and are a group which cannot be deported/denaturalized. Perhaps that group should step up instead of the <1% who are most at risk from legal administrative threats. I think it quite telling hearing born-Americans asking green card and naturalized citizens to be their "resistance" for decisions they themselves made. Reads like looking for cannon fodder, who can just be trivially deported/denaturalized while the immune citizenship sits back and points at how bad things are.
- Ritewut 9mo agoThe group of people who voted for this needs to stand up against it and I don't see that happening because it requires admitting you were wrong and got conned and people would rather die than do that.
- itsdrewmiller 9mo agoIf true there would be no one term presidents
- catlover76 9mo ago[dead]
- shafyy 9mo agoFWIW, I am not American and I don't live in the US. But yes, you are right of course. For some part of this group. But there are also many immigrants who can afford to speak up, because they are not necessarily refugees who would get deported back to a warzone or similar. In the end though, the targeted and vulnerable group need to stand up for themselves, others won't do it. I know it sucks, but it's the reality unfortunately. And yes, others from more comfortable groups should also make a stand (and some people are), but history shows that not many will.
- expedition32 9mo agoI would advise people from EU or Canada not to become US citizens. When shit goes bad you always have an exit. Meanwhile Americans who "vote with their feet" will be stopped.
- morkalork 9mo ago>It is wise <snip> to keep your head down. Everyone is making the comparison to China but when I see comments like this, I think of countries like Russia where street interviews of the average citizen invariably result in answers like "I'm not political" and "I have no opinion"
- throw0101c 9mo ago> Unfortunately even if you naturalize, they're now floating the concept of denaturalization for people opposed to the regime. They're now floating that birthright citizenship under the 14th isn't really a birthright: * https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/protecting-the-meaning-and-value-of-american-citizenship/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/prot... * https://www.npr.org/2025/03/14/nx-s1-5327552/trump-takes-birthright-citizenship-to-the-supreme-court https://www.npr.org/2025/03/14/nx-s1-5327552/trump-takes-bir... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_Un...
- azinman2 9mo ago“America is desperately trying to turn into China in more ways than one” Except without the long term thinking and investment.
- CSSer 9mo agoOh they're thinking long-term about someone. It's just not you or I.
- billy99k 9mo ago[flagged]
- throw-12-16 9mo agoWhile you were traveling did armed thugs go door to door disappearing people without due process? Defending Nazis makes you a Nazi too.
- throwway120385 9mo agoSo you're totally fine with the police state when it's turned against people you don't like, but you consider it a bad thing when you disagree with its aims. That's a pretty bare display of hypocrisy.
- tomrod 9mo agoYes. Arresting people for civil infractions (such as overstaying a visa, or even citizens caught in drag nets or protests) and taking them to 3rd party nations for detention is definitely a tactic a totalitarian police state would employ. Public health is equivocally one of the few places the constitution is defined for (general welfare of the people). This is something they used to teach in civics classes, I wonder when that stopped?
- SimianSci 9mo agoICE has more funding now as a domestic law-enforcement agency than almost every military on the planet. If we need to fund the "arrest of illigal immigrants" to such an amount as this, can you please explain to me how other countries, as you mention in your comment, can successfully do this with nowhere near that amount of funding?
- throw-12-16 9mo agoThe US has been a police state since the Patriot Act was passed.
- vkou 9mo agoOh? Really? Has this madness been happening in the other 23 of the 24 years since its passage? At this scale? Were there a lot of masked men disappearing people in broad daylight? I'd have figured that if you were looking at historic examples of the US being a police state, the Jim Crow South would have been a better one, or if you were a homosexual, really, any time prior to the 90s.
- bdangubic 9mo agoyes, since uniformed people have gained legal rights to touch my junk in order for me to be allowed to board the plane (not to mention that they took my toothpaste twice) - every year since then. we have lost every ounce of freedom after 9/11 and this “madness” today is nothing new, we just take for granted now what our own “freedoms” have been reduced to
- vkou 9mo agoHave the TSA disappeared a lot of people? Flown them out to foreign torture prisons, and thrown away the key? Ignored judicial orders to return them? (I'm also not entirely sure why they are touching your junk, I've not had that happen in any of my security checkpoint experiences.) Look, while I'm as happy as the next person to bitch about how awful the TSA is, if they are your best example of the US being a police state... It's not particularly persuasive. Most police states don't limit their capacity for repression to throwing you out of an airport without a refund for your ticket.
- throw-12-16 9mo agoTry having an Arab name next time.