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If Firefox hadn't gone on a version roller coasters ride I'd still be using it. At least they pull versions that need more attention. But, FF 16!?!?! 16!!!? Huh

by jebblue 14y ago

If Firefox hadn't gone on a version roller coasters ride I'd still be using it. At least they pull versions that need more attention. But, FF 16!?!?! 16!!!? Huh? My plugins stopped working long ago and I stopped taking Mozilla seriously long ago, well not long ago, maybe a couple of years ago when I switched to Chrome. It's weird I thought Google was a financial supporter of Mozilla?

ryannielsen 14y ago
If Firefox hadn't gone on a version roller coasters ride I'd still be using it. At least they pull versions that need more attention. But, FF 16!?!?! 16!!!? Huh? . . . you do know Chrome's at version 22 and version 24 is in dev release, right? Knock FF for the more disruptive update process, and for breaking plugins in earlier releases, sure. But (AFAIK) the plugin interfaces have been stable for quite some time now, and Firefox 15 introduced true silent updates. They seem to have fixed the pain points in their rapid release schedule. If you use Chrome, however, you cannot knock them for iterating more quickly; Chrome's in the same boat.
- jebblue 14y ago
  >> If you use Chrome, however, you cannot knock them for iterating more quickly; Chrome's in the same boat. My Chrome plugins don't break. They can change the version every day for all I care just don't break my plugins, extensions.
  - rpearl 14y ago
    Guess what? That happens with Firefox too.
  - timdorr 14y ago
    You know they're going to break old extensions in a year, right? http://developer.chrome.com/extensions/manifestVersion.html http://developer.chrome.com/extensions/manifestVersion.html
    - jebblue 14y ago
      Any developer who can't upgrade their extension with that much notice and with that clear of a specification and I don't want to use their extension any more if it breaks.
  - ryannielsen 14y ago
    And, as I said, Firefox no longer breaks plugins. Yes, they did. Yes, that was bad. They claimed, and I believe, that was necessary, but today their plugin interfaces are stable and have been stable for quite some time. Also, believe me, Chrome is not without its bugs or regressions. Rapid iteration means things will break more often, by its very nature. Hence my statement: you can't knock Firefox for rapid releases if you've moved to Chrome. You're in the same damn boat.
batiudrami 14y ago
The plugins thing stopped very shortly after the quick-release schedule happened. Updates are now silent (as with Chrome).
- jebblue 14y ago
  I try almost every FF release dude, and I am still disappointed, it almost seems like, nah.
  - Watabou 14y ago
    I love Firefox. I use it because no other browser handles 30+ tabs like a champ while only using between 800GB-1.3 GB while still being fast. Chrome uses anywhere between 1GB - 1.8GB. And just look at Chrome's mess. How do I even tell which tabs are which? That's why I really like Firefox's Tab Groups feature. I always have 3 tab groups and it's incredibly easy to switch between them. And then there are great extensions like Tab Mix Plus, NoScript, Firebug... Moreover, Mozilla is the one company that I really trust. They genuinely care about user privacy, net neutrality etc. Google, not so much. It's Chrome that makes me yawn.
drivebyacct2 14y ago
So, you left Firefox not because they release often, but because their extension system is lacking. At least be articulate in your criticism, it will better help them improve.
- jebblue 14y ago
  I left because they went on a version roller coaster which was confusing, that broke plugins like oh Quake which was fun but important plugins in addition to that. Oh, and JavaScript was faster in Chrome, FF did improve JS speed though.
  - drivebyacct2 14y ago
    Do you mean extensions or plugins? Either way, both of those are resolved in new version of Firefox. Yes, it was annoying and it was partially why I stopped using it in the first place. However, those are no longer true and FF is very competitive on speed now (well, I'm still waiting for Linux to shake off all the cruft from the 2 years that they simply ignored us), but it's quite fast in my Windows VM and Mac. edit: I'm now the third person in this thread to tell you that the Firefox upgrade experience has become quite seamless. I promise you, I don't work for Mozilla and I'm betting the other folks don't either. I use Chrome 99% of the time, I have no reason to lie about Firefox being good. edit2: What plugins do people legitimately use today? Ok, I whitelist Flash, but other than that? Ooops, turns out I also have NaCl and Chrome's PDF viewer allowed.
mrpollo 14y ago
Yes it was unfortunate to see add-ons break when we moved from version 3.6, but it was for good, if you come back you will notice all of the add-ons updated and working, a big performance boost and more stability, and you can update effortless without breaking things, most of the add-on dev's have caught on with the release cycle, and those who didn't are in my opinion not worth it anyway, but take this with a grain of salt I mostly have Firebug, Yslow, Clear Cache and Colorzilla Color Picker installed. I personally always have both Chrome and Firefox open, Chrome seems more responsive at times ( at least on my Macbook Pro ), but I can't get any productivity out of it (I'm a Web Dev) Firefox is a big winner for me here. And one more thing about version numbers, chrome latest version is 22.0.1229.94
- drivebyacct2 14y ago
  How oh how are you more productive in Firefox than Chrome as a web dev? (Despite my incredulity, I'm serious) I'm a web dev and I'd scream at you long before I let you replace my WebKit inspector even with some of the newer Firefox tools.
  - mrpollo 14y ago
    It has to bee a taste thing, I'm not that sold on the new firefox tools either, I've even submitted some bugs [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=789675 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=789675] but firebug is still deep in my work habits, I did see the post about chrome tools, I must admit it does look more advanced, anyway if I could change the font, background and foreground colors I would think of moving to chrome to do my dev work, I'm not feeling the red text on the styles attributes, a green/blue combination like firebug looks better. Yes I just admitted chrome dev tools are better.
    - jebblue 14y ago
      >> Yes I just admitted chrome dev tools are better. Even when I used FF and as much as I liked Firebug the Chrome Dev Tools are better for me as well.
    - 14y ago

by jebblue 14y ago

ryannielsen 14y ago

If Firefox hadn't gone on a version roller coasters ride I'd still be using it. At least they pull versions that need more attention. But, FF 16!?!?! 16!!!? Huh? . . . you do know Chrome's at version 22 and version 24 is in dev release, right? Knock FF for the more disruptive update process, and for breaking plugins in earlier releases, sure. But (AFAIK) the plugin interfaces have been stable for quite some time now, and Firefox 15 introduced true silent updates. They seem to have fixed the pain points in their rapid release schedule. If you use Chrome, however, you cannot knock them for iterating more quickly; Chrome's in the same boat.

jebblue 14y ago
>> If you use Chrome, however, you cannot knock them for iterating more quickly; Chrome's in the same boat. My Chrome plugins don't break. They can change the version every day for all I care just don't break my plugins, extensions.
- rpearl 14y ago
  Guess what? That happens with Firefox too.
- timdorr 14y ago
  You know they're going to break old extensions in a year, right? http://developer.chrome.com/extensions/manifestVersion.html http://developer.chrome.com/extensions/manifestVersion.html
  - jebblue 14y ago
    Any developer who can't upgrade their extension with that much notice and with that clear of a specification and I don't want to use their extension any more if it breaks.
- ryannielsen 14y ago
  And, as I said, Firefox no longer breaks plugins. Yes, they did. Yes, that was bad. They claimed, and I believe, that was necessary, but today their plugin interfaces are stable and have been stable for quite some time. Also, believe me, Chrome is not without its bugs or regressions. Rapid iteration means things will break more often, by its very nature. Hence my statement: you can't knock Firefox for rapid releases if you've moved to Chrome. You're in the same damn boat.

batiudrami 14y ago

The plugins thing stopped very shortly after the quick-release schedule happened. Updates are now silent (as with Chrome).

jebblue 14y ago
I try almost every FF release dude, and I am still disappointed, it almost seems like, nah.
- Watabou 14y ago
  I love Firefox. I use it because no other browser handles 30+ tabs like a champ while only using between 800GB-1.3 GB while still being fast. Chrome uses anywhere between 1GB - 1.8GB. And just look at Chrome's mess. How do I even tell which tabs are which? That's why I really like Firefox's Tab Groups feature. I always have 3 tab groups and it's incredibly easy to switch between them. And then there are great extensions like Tab Mix Plus, NoScript, Firebug... Moreover, Mozilla is the one company that I really trust. They genuinely care about user privacy, net neutrality etc. Google, not so much. It's Chrome that makes me yawn.

drivebyacct2 14y ago

So, you left Firefox not because they release often, but because their extension system is lacking. At least be articulate in your criticism, it will better help them improve.

jebblue 14y ago
I left because they went on a version roller coaster which was confusing, that broke plugins like oh Quake which was fun but important plugins in addition to that. Oh, and JavaScript was faster in Chrome, FF did improve JS speed though.
- drivebyacct2 14y ago
  Do you mean extensions or plugins? Either way, both of those are resolved in new version of Firefox. Yes, it was annoying and it was partially why I stopped using it in the first place. However, those are no longer true and FF is very competitive on speed now (well, I'm still waiting for Linux to shake off all the cruft from the 2 years that they simply ignored us), but it's quite fast in my Windows VM and Mac. edit: I'm now the third person in this thread to tell you that the Firefox upgrade experience has become quite seamless. I promise you, I don't work for Mozilla and I'm betting the other folks don't either. I use Chrome 99% of the time, I have no reason to lie about Firefox being good. edit2: What plugins do people legitimately use today? Ok, I whitelist Flash, but other than that? Ooops, turns out I also have NaCl and Chrome's PDF viewer allowed.

mrpollo 14y ago

Yes it was unfortunate to see add-ons break when we moved from version 3.6, but it was for good, if you come back you will notice all of the add-ons updated and working, a big performance boost and more stability, and you can update effortless without breaking things, most of the add-on dev's have caught on with the release cycle, and those who didn't are in my opinion not worth it anyway, but take this with a grain of salt I mostly have Firebug, Yslow, Clear Cache and Colorzilla Color Picker installed. I personally always have both Chrome and Firefox open, Chrome seems more responsive at times ( at least on my Macbook Pro ), but I can't get any productivity out of it (I'm a Web Dev) Firefox is a big winner for me here. And one more thing about version numbers, chrome latest version is 22.0.1229.94

drivebyacct2 14y ago
How oh how are you more productive in Firefox than Chrome as a web dev? (Despite my incredulity, I'm serious) I'm a web dev and I'd scream at you long before I let you replace my WebKit inspector even with some of the newer Firefox tools.
- mrpollo 14y ago
  It has to bee a taste thing, I'm not that sold on the new firefox tools either, I've even submitted some bugs [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=789675 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=789675] but firebug is still deep in my work habits, I did see the post about chrome tools, I must admit it does look more advanced, anyway if I could change the font, background and foreground colors I would think of moving to chrome to do my dev work, I'm not feeling the red text on the styles attributes, a green/blue combination like firebug looks better. Yes I just admitted chrome dev tools are better.
  - jebblue 14y ago
    >> Yes I just admitted chrome dev tools are better. Even when I used FF and as much as I liked Firebug the Chrome Dev Tools are better for me as well.
  - 14y ago