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We're running on monkey hardware. People aren't going to make good choices all the time, even the most disciplined and educated among us. It's unethical to inte

We're running on monkey hardware. People aren't going to make good choices all the time, even the most disciplined and educated among us. It's unethical to intentionally exploit our weaknesses and throw up your hands like there's nothing you could have done. In any case, here in the US, companies that made money by peddling high sugar/grain diets lobbied to have a practically inverted food pyramid so Americans for generations to come would grow up believing the wrong things about a healthy and balanced diet. That was the culmination of decades of effort by junk food companies to fund fake studies to malign fats to point fingers at basically any food except the problem one: sugar.

tyleo 10mo ago
I agree with this argument but it goes both ways. We run on monkey hardware… and our leaders run on monkey hardware. Those unethical leaders are monkeys like the rest of us. Pointless status hoarding at the expense of populations is part of it. It’s monkeys all the way down.
- DangitBobby 10mo ago
  The point of assigning blame here isn't so much a moral exercise as it is to decide what went wrong, how to deal with it, and how to prevent the same failure modes in the future.
  - tyleo 10mo ago
    That’s what I’m talking about too. Understanding that we’re all monkeys is an important piece of the puzzle if you want to deal with the problem.
hallole 10mo ago
I guess I agree with you. Deep down, I wish they hadn't given up on prohibition, and that we'd have banned smoking, too. Still, though, there's gotta be a point where people become responsible for their actions. We're running on "monkey hardware," true, but one who gives in to their monkey brain rage and commits murder will still rightfully end up imprisoned. We expect individuals to have self control. Couple other notes: I agree that excessive sugar is bad, but there's nothing wrong with whole grains. Also, we talk of corporate lobbies altering the public narrative on nutrition, but honestly, how much does it really matter? How much heed do most people pay to their image of a healthy diet? Is anyone really fooled into thinking soda, or fast food, is good? I don't think so.
- DangitBobby 10mo ago
  Yeah the grain thing is weird because they've over-represented grains on the pyramid because grain products are what the companies were trying to sell, but they also added a ton of unnecessary sugar to a bunch of these grain products and mislead people about the nutritional value Remember those commercials? Shows a bowl of Cinnamon Toast Crunch next to a glass of orange juice "Part of this balanced breakfast!" How about the ones where people would buy and eat Honey Nut Cheerios because they are "heart healthy"? Lol I actually believed that as a kid. They've been sued over this multiple times but courts tend to hold that false advertising is fine as long as there's still some FUD about how bad sugar is for you [1]. > Judge Jeffrey White’s Aug. 13 order said the plaintiffs “cannot plausibly claim to be misled” about the sugar content of their cereal purchases. The company’s front-of-package and side panel labeling lists “all truthful and required objective facts about its products,” he wrote. > The judge also noted there is no consensus about how much sugar is healthy, Food Navigator reported. “Defendant is under no obligation to warn its consumers that certain levels of sugar may be associated with poor health results,” he wrote. Back to what you said > Also, we talk of corporate lobbies altering the public narrative on nutrition, but honestly, how much does it really matter? How much heed do most people pay to their image of a healthy diet? Is anyone really fooled into thinking soda, or fast food, is good? I don't think so. I personally think that if people understood how habit forming, addictive, unhealthy, and fattening all the junk food is they would make sure their children ate a lot less of it, and eventually that would move the needle. Due to my struggles with childhood obesity that I've managed to get under control as an adult, I'm definitely going to limit my kids' intake of junk food if I ever have any. > but one who gives in to their monkey brain rage and commits murder will still rightfully end up imprisoned. In theory prison is part of a solution, but the goals should be to protect the general public and to reform the incarcerated so they can rejoin society and participate more harmoniously than before. Prison as it stands is... Well it's like it was designed by a committee of angry monkeys. 1. https://www.fooddive.com/news/can-cereal-be-sugary-and-healthy-judge-dismisses-lawsuit-against-general/562452/ https://www.fooddive.com/news/can-cereal-be-sugary-and-healt...

tyleo 10mo ago

I agree with this argument but it goes both ways. We run on monkey hardware… and our leaders run on monkey hardware. Those unethical leaders are monkeys like the rest of us. Pointless status hoarding at the expense of populations is part of it. It’s monkeys all the way down.

DangitBobby 10mo ago
The point of assigning blame here isn't so much a moral exercise as it is to decide what went wrong, how to deal with it, and how to prevent the same failure modes in the future.
- tyleo 10mo ago
  That’s what I’m talking about too. Understanding that we’re all monkeys is an important piece of the puzzle if you want to deal with the problem.

hallole 10mo ago

I guess I agree with you. Deep down, I wish they hadn't given up on prohibition, and that we'd have banned smoking, too. Still, though, there's gotta be a point where people become responsible for their actions. We're running on "monkey hardware," true, but one who gives in to their monkey brain rage and commits murder will still rightfully end up imprisoned. We expect individuals to have self control. Couple other notes: I agree that excessive sugar is bad, but there's nothing wrong with whole grains. Also, we talk of corporate lobbies altering the public narrative on nutrition, but honestly, how much does it really matter? How much heed do most people pay to their image of a healthy diet? Is anyone really fooled into thinking soda, or fast food, is good? I don't think so.

DangitBobby 10mo ago
Yeah the grain thing is weird because they've over-represented grains on the pyramid because grain products are what the companies were trying to sell, but they also added a ton of unnecessary sugar to a bunch of these grain products and mislead people about the nutritional value Remember those commercials? Shows a bowl of Cinnamon Toast Crunch next to a glass of orange juice "Part of this balanced breakfast!" How about the ones where people would buy and eat Honey Nut Cheerios because they are "heart healthy"? Lol I actually believed that as a kid. They've been sued over this multiple times but courts tend to hold that false advertising is fine as long as there's still some FUD about how bad sugar is for you [1]. > Judge Jeffrey White’s Aug. 13 order said the plaintiffs “cannot plausibly claim to be misled” about the sugar content of their cereal purchases. The company’s front-of-package and side panel labeling lists “all truthful and required objective facts about its products,” he wrote. > The judge also noted there is no consensus about how much sugar is healthy, Food Navigator reported. “Defendant is under no obligation to warn its consumers that certain levels of sugar may be associated with poor health results,” he wrote. Back to what you said > Also, we talk of corporate lobbies altering the public narrative on nutrition, but honestly, how much does it really matter? How much heed do most people pay to their image of a healthy diet? Is anyone really fooled into thinking soda, or fast food, is good? I don't think so. I personally think that if people understood how habit forming, addictive, unhealthy, and fattening all the junk food is they would make sure their children ate a lot less of it, and eventually that would move the needle. Due to my struggles with childhood obesity that I've managed to get under control as an adult, I'm definitely going to limit my kids' intake of junk food if I ever have any. > but one who gives in to their monkey brain rage and commits murder will still rightfully end up imprisoned. In theory prison is part of a solution, but the goals should be to protect the general public and to reform the incarcerated so they can rejoin society and participate more harmoniously than before. Prison as it stands is... Well it's like it was designed by a committee of angry monkeys. 1. https://www.fooddive.com/news/can-cereal-be-sugary-and-healthy-judge-dismisses-lawsuit-against-general/562452/ https://www.fooddive.com/news/can-cereal-be-sugary-and-healt...