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The event that starts with "die Sprache der überwacher" That's non political?

slurrpurr 10mo ago
Its regardlessly still computer-adjacent, not like the talk linked from 39c3 Ok let me rephrase then if you didn’t understand my point: Its getting too filled with politics that don’t have anything to do with computers
- fredoliveira 10mo ago
  Can you point to some?
  - slurrpurr 10mo ago
    https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/and-so-it-begins-wie-unser-rechtsstaat-auf-den-highway-richtung-trumpismus-rast-und-warum-afghanische-klager-innen-fur-uns-die-notbremse-ziehen https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/life-on-hold-what-does-true-solidarity-look-like-beyond-duldung-camps-deportation-and-payment-cards https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/selbstverstandlich-antifaschistisch-aktuelle-informationen-zu-den-verfahren-im-budapest-komplex-von-family-friends-hamburg https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... (already mentioned)
  - slurrpurr 10mo ago
    and from last year: https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/KNG7P3/ https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/K... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/S3WJCS/ https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/S... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/WGGVDK/ https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/W... In comparison, the only talk linked above was "die Sprache der überwacher", a talk about actual surveillance.
  - tannhaeuser 10mo ago
    Not sure the number is up from last year (I think there are fewer O/T talks this year even) but there are many talks that have nothing to do with hacking even if some of them might pigue my interest, such as the following: https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/transkultureller-hack-auf-die-klassische-musikszene-vortrag-und-konzert https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/wer-liegt-hier-wem-auf-der-tasche-genug-mit-dem-burgergeld-fetisch-sturmt-die-palaste https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/shit-for-future-turning-human-shit-into-a-climate-solution https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/wer-hat-angst-vor-dem-neutralitatsgebot https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/power-cycle-b7-oder-warum-kauft-man-eine-zeche https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/selbstverstandlich-antifaschistisch-aktuelle-informationen-zu-den-verfahren-im-budapest-komplex-von-family-friends-hamburg https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/a-space-odyssey-2-how-to-study-moon-rocks-from-the-soviet-sample-return-mission-luna-24 https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/radikalisierungspipeline-esoterik-von-eso-nazis-de https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/life-on-hold-what-does-true-solidarity-look-like-beyond-duldung-camps-deportation-and-payment-cards https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/and-so-it-begins-wie-unser-rechtsstaat-auf-den-highway-richtung-trumpismus-rast-und-warum-afghanische-klager-innen-fur-uns-die-notbremse-ziehen https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... Then there are topics merely having "computer" in them like everything in this day and age but aren't about hacking, and it's disappointing because I know for a fact other talks had to make room for these: https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/what-makes-bike-sharing-work-insights-from-43-million-kilometers-of-european-cycling-data https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/greenhouse-gas-emission-data-public-difficult-to-access-and-not-always-correct https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... and there are a couple more. Not everything in "Hacker News" is on-topic either I guess. The talks by e-celebs also don't bring in anything novel, like at all.
- pinkgolem 10mo ago
  How is it computer adjacent, keep in mind, it's a talk about how the media communicates things... Surveillance was the political topic of 2020, so there was quite a few talks about that, migration is the political topic 2025, so there are a lot of talks about that There are also other unrelated things which do not have a lot to do with computers, like "all creatures welcome".
  - aleph_minus_one 10mo ago
    > Surveillance was the political topic of 2020, so there was quite a few talks about that, migration is the political topic 2025, so there are a lot of talks about that There is one important difference: surveillance is a deeply computer-/hacking-related topics while migration isn't. So I would say a talk about surveillance (as long as it is relevant for hacking topics) typically has its place while it is much harder to find a reason why a talk about migration has relevance for a hacking conference.
    - pinkgolem 10mo ago
      The linked surveillance talk has nearly 0 references to computers and is all about media/reporting
      - aleph_minus_one 10mo ago
        > The linked surveillance talk has nearly 0 references to computers and is all about media/reporting (link to the talk: https://media.ccc.de/v/34c3-8969-die_sprache_der_uberwacher https://media.ccc.de/v/34c3-8969-die_sprache_der_uberwacher ) Surveillance has relevance to core CCC/hacking topics (privacy is a central topic against which hackers fight), so I can understand why the organisers decided to include this talk in the schedule: they considered it to be a good idea that the audience should also get a "non-computer perspective" on a topic that is highly relevant to hackers. But I agree that for the decision to include or not include this specific talk, the organisers have to apply an exceptionally good judgement: if they make a "wrong" decision here, people will immediately (rightfully) complain that the talks are too political (or if they "wronged" by non-inclusion of this talk, the other side will complain that important topics are omitted).

Its regardlessly still computer-adjacent, not like the talk linked from 39c3 Ok let me rephrase then if you didn’t understand my point: Its getting too filled with politics that don’t have anything to do with computers

fredoliveira 10mo ago
Can you point to some?
- slurrpurr 10mo ago
  https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/and-so-it-begins-wie-unser-rechtsstaat-auf-den-highway-richtung-trumpismus-rast-und-warum-afghanische-klager-innen-fur-uns-die-notbremse-ziehen https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/life-on-hold-what-does-true-solidarity-look-like-beyond-duldung-camps-deportation-and-payment-cards https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/selbstverstandlich-antifaschistisch-aktuelle-informationen-zu-den-verfahren-im-budapest-komplex-von-family-friends-hamburg https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... (already mentioned)
- slurrpurr 10mo ago
  and from last year: https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/KNG7P3/ https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/K... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/S3WJCS/ https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/S... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/WGGVDK/ https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/W... In comparison, the only talk linked above was "die Sprache der überwacher", a talk about actual surveillance.
- tannhaeuser 10mo ago
  Not sure the number is up from last year (I think there are fewer O/T talks this year even) but there are many talks that have nothing to do with hacking even if some of them might pigue my interest, such as the following: https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/transkultureller-hack-auf-die-klassische-musikszene-vortrag-und-konzert https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/wer-liegt-hier-wem-auf-der-tasche-genug-mit-dem-burgergeld-fetisch-sturmt-die-palaste https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/shit-for-future-turning-human-shit-into-a-climate-solution https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/wer-hat-angst-vor-dem-neutralitatsgebot https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/power-cycle-b7-oder-warum-kauft-man-eine-zeche https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/selbstverstandlich-antifaschistisch-aktuelle-informationen-zu-den-verfahren-im-budapest-komplex-von-family-friends-hamburg https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/a-space-odyssey-2-how-to-study-moon-rocks-from-the-soviet-sample-return-mission-luna-24 https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/radikalisierungspipeline-esoterik-von-eso-nazis-de https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/life-on-hold-what-does-true-solidarity-look-like-beyond-duldung-camps-deportation-and-payment-cards https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/and-so-it-begins-wie-unser-rechtsstaat-auf-den-highway-richtung-trumpismus-rast-und-warum-afghanische-klager-innen-fur-uns-die-notbremse-ziehen https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... Then there are topics merely having "computer" in them like everything in this day and age but aren't about hacking, and it's disappointing because I know for a fact other talks had to make room for these: https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/what-makes-bike-sharing-work-insights-from-43-million-kilometers-of-european-cycling-data https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/greenhouse-gas-emission-data-public-difficult-to-access-and-not-always-correct https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... and there are a couple more. Not everything in "Hacker News" is on-topic either I guess. The talks by e-celebs also don't bring in anything novel, like at all.
pinkgolem 10mo ago
How is it computer adjacent, keep in mind, it's a talk about how the media communicates things... Surveillance was the political topic of 2020, so there was quite a few talks about that, migration is the political topic 2025, so there are a lot of talks about that There are also other unrelated things which do not have a lot to do with computers, like "all creatures welcome".
- aleph_minus_one 10mo ago
  > Surveillance was the political topic of 2020, so there was quite a few talks about that, migration is the political topic 2025, so there are a lot of talks about that There is one important difference: surveillance is a deeply computer-/hacking-related topics while migration isn't. So I would say a talk about surveillance (as long as it is relevant for hacking topics) typically has its place while it is much harder to find a reason why a talk about migration has relevance for a hacking conference.
  - pinkgolem 10mo ago
    The linked surveillance talk has nearly 0 references to computers and is all about media/reporting
    - aleph_minus_one 10mo ago
      > The linked surveillance talk has nearly 0 references to computers and is all about media/reporting (link to the talk: https://media.ccc.de/v/34c3-8969-die_sprache_der_uberwacher https://media.ccc.de/v/34c3-8969-die_sprache_der_uberwacher ) Surveillance has relevance to core CCC/hacking topics (privacy is a central topic against which hackers fight), so I can understand why the organisers decided to include this talk in the schedule: they considered it to be a good idea that the audience should also get a "non-computer perspective" on a topic that is highly relevant to hackers. But I agree that for the decision to include or not include this specific talk, the organisers have to apply an exceptionally good judgement: if they make a "wrong" decision here, people will immediately (rightfully) complain that the talks are too political (or if they "wronged" by non-inclusion of this talk, the other side will complain that important topics are omitted).