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The comment is about how political it is, and that it's getting too much. For example this talk: https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/sel

The comment is about how political it is, and that it's getting too much. For example this talk: https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/selbstverstandlich-antifaschistisch-aktuelle-informationen-zu-den-verfahren-im-budapest-komplex-von-family-friends-hamburg https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... Every year the needle gets moved more

pinkgolem 9mo ago
Such talks have been part of ccc for decades? I am getting more and more confused
- slurrpurr 9mo ago
  Not really, look at the schedule for 34c3. Much more interesting things and less politics. And it also has felt more and more forced in the last couple years
  - hxbdbehd 9mo ago
    Looking at the 34c3 Fahrplan, like a solid third of the talks are explicitly about politics I don't get your point
  - pinkgolem 9mo ago
    The event that starts with "die Sprache der überwacher" That's non political?
    - slurrpurr 9mo ago
      Its regardlessly still computer-adjacent, not like the talk linked from 39c3 Ok let me rephrase then if you didn’t understand my point: Its getting too filled with politics that don’t have anything to do with computers
      - fredoliveira 9mo ago
        Can you point to some?
        slurrpurr 9mo ago
        https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/and-so-it-begins-wie-unser-rechtsstaat-auf-den-highway-richtung-trumpismus-rast-und-warum-afghanische-klager-innen-fur-uns-die-notbremse-ziehen https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/life-on-hold-what-does-true-solidarity-look-like-beyond-duldung-camps-deportation-and-payment-cards https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/selbstverstandlich-antifaschistisch-aktuelle-informationen-zu-den-verfahren-im-budapest-komplex-von-family-friends-hamburg https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... (already mentioned)
        slurrpurr 9mo ago
        and from last year: https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/KNG7P3/ https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/K... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/S3WJCS/ https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/S... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/WGGVDK/ https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/W... In comparison, the only talk linked above was "die Sprache der überwacher", a talk about actual surveillance.
        tannhaeuser 9mo ago
        Not sure the number is up from last year (I think there are fewer O/T talks this year even) but there are many talks that have nothing to do with hacking even if some of them might pigue my interest, such as the following: https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/transkultureller-hack-auf-die-klassische-musikszene-vortrag-und-konzert https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/wer-liegt-hier-wem-auf-der-tasche-genug-mit-dem-burgergeld-fetisch-sturmt-die-palaste https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/shit-for-future-turning-human-shit-into-a-climate-solution https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/wer-hat-angst-vor-dem-neutralitatsgebot https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/power-cycle-b7-oder-warum-kauft-man-eine-zeche https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/selbstverstandlich-antifaschistisch-aktuelle-informationen-zu-den-verfahren-im-budapest-komplex-von-family-friends-hamburg https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/a-space-odyssey-2-how-to-study-moon-rocks-from-the-soviet-sample-return-mission-luna-24 https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/radikalisierungspipeline-esoterik-von-eso-nazis-de https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/life-on-hold-what-does-true-solidarity-look-like-beyond-duldung-camps-deportation-and-payment-cards https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/and-so-it-begins-wie-unser-rechtsstaat-auf-den-highway-richtung-trumpismus-rast-und-warum-afghanische-klager-innen-fur-uns-die-notbremse-ziehen https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... Then there are topics merely having "computer" in them like everything in this day and age but aren't about hacking, and it's disappointing because I know for a fact other talks had to make room for these: https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/what-makes-bike-sharing-work-insights-from-43-million-kilometers-of-european-cycling-data https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/greenhouse-gas-emission-data-public-difficult-to-access-and-not-always-correct https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... and there are a couple more. Not everything in "Hacker News" is on-topic either I guess. The talks by e-celebs also don't bring in anything novel, like at all.
izacus 9mo ago
I think you just became a righty and are only just now noticing that CCC folks always hated righties with passion.
- slurrpurr 9mo ago
  Not supporting violence = "righty"?
  - izacus 9mo ago
    Using right dogwhistles == righty.
    - slurrpurr 9mo ago
      Genuinely, what do you mean
  - chrystalkey 9mo ago
    wait, where did that come from? Your original comment was about politics, not the violence of certain groups. I think that shifts a goal post.
frankzander 9mo ago
That example is a really good one I also stumbled upon. Feels like a Indymedia meeting.
raverbashing 9mo ago
I was trying to understand what this is about, and this seems to have more context https://digit.site36.net/2025/09/09/first-german-trial-on-the-budapest-complex-nearing-its-end-with-a-martial-demand-hanna-s-might-face-nine-years-in-prison/ https://digit.site36.net/2025/09/09/first-german-trial-on-th... But yeah to me it seems these "antifaschistisch orgs" acting like thugs and then thinking they're immune to prosecution because they're antifaschistisch (according to themselves) of course

pinkgolem 9mo ago

Such talks have been part of ccc for decades? I am getting more and more confused

slurrpurr 9mo ago
Not really, look at the schedule for 34c3. Much more interesting things and less politics. And it also has felt more and more forced in the last couple years
- hxbdbehd 9mo ago
  Looking at the 34c3 Fahrplan, like a solid third of the talks are explicitly about politics I don't get your point
- pinkgolem 9mo ago
  The event that starts with "die Sprache der überwacher" That's non political?
  - slurrpurr 9mo ago
    Its regardlessly still computer-adjacent, not like the talk linked from 39c3 Ok let me rephrase then if you didn’t understand my point: Its getting too filled with politics that don’t have anything to do with computers
    - fredoliveira 9mo ago
      Can you point to some?
      - slurrpurr 9mo ago
        https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/and-so-it-begins-wie-unser-rechtsstaat-auf-den-highway-richtung-trumpismus-rast-und-warum-afghanische-klager-innen-fur-uns-die-notbremse-ziehen https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/life-on-hold-what-does-true-solidarity-look-like-beyond-duldung-camps-deportation-and-payment-cards https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/selbstverstandlich-antifaschistisch-aktuelle-informationen-zu-den-verfahren-im-budapest-komplex-von-family-friends-hamburg https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... (already mentioned)
      - slurrpurr 9mo ago
        and from last year: https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/KNG7P3/ https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/K... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/S3WJCS/ https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/S... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/WGGVDK/ https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/W... In comparison, the only talk linked above was "die Sprache der überwacher", a talk about actual surveillance.
      - tannhaeuser 9mo ago
        Not sure the number is up from last year (I think there are fewer O/T talks this year even) but there are many talks that have nothing to do with hacking even if some of them might pigue my interest, such as the following: https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/transkultureller-hack-auf-die-klassische-musikszene-vortrag-und-konzert https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/wer-liegt-hier-wem-auf-der-tasche-genug-mit-dem-burgergeld-fetisch-sturmt-die-palaste https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/shit-for-future-turning-human-shit-into-a-climate-solution https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/wer-hat-angst-vor-dem-neutralitatsgebot https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/power-cycle-b7-oder-warum-kauft-man-eine-zeche https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/selbstverstandlich-antifaschistisch-aktuelle-informationen-zu-den-verfahren-im-budapest-komplex-von-family-friends-hamburg https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/a-space-odyssey-2-how-to-study-moon-rocks-from-the-soviet-sample-return-mission-luna-24 https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/radikalisierungspipeline-esoterik-von-eso-nazis-de https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/life-on-hold-what-does-true-solidarity-look-like-beyond-duldung-camps-deportation-and-payment-cards https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/and-so-it-begins-wie-unser-rechtsstaat-auf-den-highway-richtung-trumpismus-rast-und-warum-afghanische-klager-innen-fur-uns-die-notbremse-ziehen https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... Then there are topics merely having "computer" in them like everything in this day and age but aren't about hacking, and it's disappointing because I know for a fact other talks had to make room for these: https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/what-makes-bike-sharing-work-insights-from-43-million-kilometers-of-european-cycling-data https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/greenhouse-gas-emission-data-public-difficult-to-access-and-not-always-correct https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... and there are a couple more. Not everything in "Hacker News" is on-topic either I guess. The talks by e-celebs also don't bring in anything novel, like at all.

izacus 9mo ago

I think you just became a righty and are only just now noticing that CCC folks always hated righties with passion.

slurrpurr 9mo ago
Not supporting violence = "righty"?
- izacus 9mo ago
  Using right dogwhistles == righty.
  - slurrpurr 9mo ago
    Genuinely, what do you mean
- chrystalkey 9mo ago
  wait, where did that come from? Your original comment was about politics, not the violence of certain groups. I think that shifts a goal post.

frankzander 9mo ago

That example is a really good one I also stumbled upon. Feels like a Indymedia meeting.

raverbashing 9mo ago

I was trying to understand what this is about, and this seems to have more context https://digit.site36.net/2025/09/09/first-german-trial-on-the-budapest-complex-nearing-its-end-with-a-martial-demand-hanna-s-might-face-nine-years-in-prison/ https://digit.site36.net/2025/09/09/first-german-trial-on-th... But yeah to me it seems these "antifaschistisch orgs" acting like thugs and then thinking they're immune to prosecution because they're antifaschistisch (according to themselves) of course