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Must sign in to read? Wow bluesky has already enshittified faster than expected. (for the record, the downvoters are the same people who would say this to some

Must sign in to read? Wow bluesky has already enshittified faster than expected. (for the record, the downvoters are the same people who would say this to someone who linked a twitter post, they just don't realize that)

epistasis 9mo ago
It's a non-default choice by the user to require login to view. It's quite rare to find users who do that, but if I were Rob Pike I'd seriously consider doing it too.
- bangaladore 9mo ago
  A platform that allows hiding of text locked behind a login is, in my opinion, garbage. This is done for the same reason Threads blocks all access without a login and mostly twitter to. Its to force account creation, collection of user data and support increased monetization. Any user helping to further that is naive at best. I have no problem with blocking interaction with a login for obvious reasons, but blocking viewing is completely childish. Whether or not I agree with what they are saying here (which, to be clear I fully agree with the post), it just seems like they only want an echochamber to see their thoughts.
  - csomar 9mo ago
    According to the parent, the platform gives the content creator the choice/control. So no, it's not garbage and that's the correct way to go about it.
    - bangaladore 9mo ago
      [flagged]
      - 0xCAP 9mo ago
        It's also a way to prevent LLMs to get trained on their data without their consent.
        danabramov 9mo ago
        That's not correct. The setting is mostly cosmetic and only affects the Bluesky official app and web interface. People do find this setting helpful for curbing external waves of harassment (less motivated people just won't bother making an account), but the data is public and is available on the AT protocol: https://pdsls.dev/at://robpike.io/app.bsky.feed.post/3matwg6w3ic2s https://pdsls.dev/at://robpike.io/app.bsky.feed.post/3matwg6... So nothing is stopping LLMs from training on that data per se.
        Hamuko 9mo ago
        That's assuming that AI companies are gathering data in a smart way. The entire MusicBrainz database can be downloaded for free but AI scrapers are still attempting to scrape it one HTML page at a time, which often leads into the service having errors and/or slowdowns.
        danabramov 9mo ago
        Yea that’s true. I’m just saying if someone wants to put in a modicum of effort, AT ecosystem is highly scrapable by design. In fact apps themselves (like Bluesky) are essentially scrapers.
      - csomar 9mo ago
        It's a non-default setting. So no. I am not sure what you disagree with exactly? We can call out BlueSky when they over-reach, but this is simply not it.
  - znpy 9mo ago
    [flagged]
    - archagon 9mo ago
      No, Bluesky is not garbage.
  - danabramov 9mo ago
    Here is the raw post on the AT Protocol if you want to access it directly: https://pdsls.dev/at://robpike.io/app.bsky.feed.post/3matwg6w3ic2s https://pdsls.dev/at://robpike.io/app.bsky.feed.post/3matwg6... >This is done for the same reason Threads blocks all access without a login and mostly twitter to. Its to force account creation, collection of user data and support increased monetization. I worked at Bluesky when the decision to add this setting was made, and your assessment of why it was added is wrong. The historical reason it was added is because early on the site had no public web interface at all. And by the time it was being added, there was a lot of concern from the users who misunderstood the nature of the app (despite warnings when signing up that all data is public) and who were worried that suddenly having a low-friction way to view their accounts would invite a wave of harassment. The team was very torn on this but decided to add the user-controlled ability to add this barrier, off by default. Obviously, on a public network, this is still not a real gate (as I showed earlier, you can still see content through any alternative apps). This is why the setting is called "Discourage apps from showing my account to logged-out users" and it has a disclaimer: >Bluesky is an open and public network. This setting only limits the visibility of your content on the Bluesky app and website, and other apps may not respect this setting. Your content may still be shown to logged-out users by other apps and websites. Still, in practice, many users found this setting helpful to limit waves of harassment if a post of theirs escaped containment, and the setting was kept.
michaelsshaw 9mo ago
It is a user setting and quite a reasonable one at that, in Pike's case in particular.
- bangaladore 9mo ago
  What do you mean? I did some quick googling and am unsure what you are implying here.
  - andreasgl 9mo ago
    There’s an option for setting the visibility of your posts: https://bsky.app/profile/bsky.app/post/3kgbz6tc6gl24 https://bsky.app/profile/bsky.app/post/3kgbz6tc6gl24
    - bangaladore 9mo ago
      My question is why are multiple people commenting that "Rob Pike" in particular should use this feature.
pabs3 9mo ago
https://skyview.social/?url=https://bsky.app/profile/robpike.io/post/3matwg6w3ic2s https://skyview.social/?url=https://bsky.app/profile/robpike...
mlrtime 9mo ago
Yeah, I'm not creating an account to read a post. Twitter/X at least allows you to read a single post.
- myko 9mo ago
  the post is public, just depends on the viewer you're using: https://skyview.social/?url=https://bsky.app/profile/robpike.io/post/3matwg6w3ic2s https://skyview.social/?url=https://bsky.app/profile/robpike...

epistasis 9mo ago

It's a non-default choice by the user to require login to view. It's quite rare to find users who do that, but if I were Rob Pike I'd seriously consider doing it too.

bangaladore 9mo ago
A platform that allows hiding of text locked behind a login is, in my opinion, garbage. This is done for the same reason Threads blocks all access without a login and mostly twitter to. Its to force account creation, collection of user data and support increased monetization. Any user helping to further that is naive at best. I have no problem with blocking interaction with a login for obvious reasons, but blocking viewing is completely childish. Whether or not I agree with what they are saying here (which, to be clear I fully agree with the post), it just seems like they only want an echochamber to see their thoughts.
- csomar 9mo ago
  According to the parent, the platform gives the content creator the choice/control. So no, it's not garbage and that's the correct way to go about it.
  - bangaladore 9mo ago
    [flagged]
    - 0xCAP 9mo ago
      It's also a way to prevent LLMs to get trained on their data without their consent.
      - danabramov 9mo ago
        That's not correct. The setting is mostly cosmetic and only affects the Bluesky official app and web interface. People do find this setting helpful for curbing external waves of harassment (less motivated people just won't bother making an account), but the data is public and is available on the AT protocol: https://pdsls.dev/at://robpike.io/app.bsky.feed.post/3matwg6w3ic2s https://pdsls.dev/at://robpike.io/app.bsky.feed.post/3matwg6... So nothing is stopping LLMs from training on that data per se.
        Hamuko 9mo ago
        That's assuming that AI companies are gathering data in a smart way. The entire MusicBrainz database can be downloaded for free but AI scrapers are still attempting to scrape it one HTML page at a time, which often leads into the service having errors and/or slowdowns.
        danabramov 9mo ago
        Yea that’s true. I’m just saying if someone wants to put in a modicum of effort, AT ecosystem is highly scrapable by design. In fact apps themselves (like Bluesky) are essentially scrapers.
    - csomar 9mo ago
      It's a non-default setting. So no. I am not sure what you disagree with exactly? We can call out BlueSky when they over-reach, but this is simply not it.
- znpy 9mo ago
  [flagged]
  - archagon 9mo ago
    No, Bluesky is not garbage.
- danabramov 9mo ago
  Here is the raw post on the AT Protocol if you want to access it directly: https://pdsls.dev/at://robpike.io/app.bsky.feed.post/3matwg6w3ic2s https://pdsls.dev/at://robpike.io/app.bsky.feed.post/3matwg6... >This is done for the same reason Threads blocks all access without a login and mostly twitter to. Its to force account creation, collection of user data and support increased monetization. I worked at Bluesky when the decision to add this setting was made, and your assessment of why it was added is wrong. The historical reason it was added is because early on the site had no public web interface at all. And by the time it was being added, there was a lot of concern from the users who misunderstood the nature of the app (despite warnings when signing up that all data is public) and who were worried that suddenly having a low-friction way to view their accounts would invite a wave of harassment. The team was very torn on this but decided to add the user-controlled ability to add this barrier, off by default. Obviously, on a public network, this is still not a real gate (as I showed earlier, you can still see content through any alternative apps). This is why the setting is called "Discourage apps from showing my account to logged-out users" and it has a disclaimer: >Bluesky is an open and public network. This setting only limits the visibility of your content on the Bluesky app and website, and other apps may not respect this setting. Your content may still be shown to logged-out users by other apps and websites. Still, in practice, many users found this setting helpful to limit waves of harassment if a post of theirs escaped containment, and the setting was kept.

michaelsshaw 9mo ago

It is a user setting and quite a reasonable one at that, in Pike's case in particular.

bangaladore 9mo ago
What do you mean? I did some quick googling and am unsure what you are implying here.
- andreasgl 9mo ago
  There’s an option for setting the visibility of your posts: https://bsky.app/profile/bsky.app/post/3kgbz6tc6gl24 https://bsky.app/profile/bsky.app/post/3kgbz6tc6gl24
  - bangaladore 9mo ago
    My question is why are multiple people commenting that "Rob Pike" in particular should use this feature.

pabs3 9mo ago

https://skyview.social/?url=https://bsky.app/profile/robpike.io/post/3matwg6w3ic2s https://skyview.social/?url=https://bsky.app/profile/robpike...

mlrtime 9mo ago

Yeah, I'm not creating an account to read a post. Twitter/X at least allows you to read a single post.

myko 9mo ago
the post is public, just depends on the viewer you're using: https://skyview.social/?url=https://bsky.app/profile/robpike.io/post/3matwg6w3ic2s https://skyview.social/?url=https://bsky.app/profile/robpike...