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The cat's out of the bag. Even if US companies stop building data centers, China isn't going to stop and even if AI/LLMs are a bubble, do we just stop and let C
by MangoCoffee 10mo ago
The cat's out of the bag. Even if US companies stop building data centers, China isn't going to stop and even if AI/LLMs are a bubble, do we just stop and let China/other countries take the lead?
- rg2004 10mo agoYes.
- mmooss 10mo agoIt's an old argument of tech capitalists that nothing can be done because technology's advance is like a physical law of nature. It's not; we can control it and we can work with other countries, including adversaries, to control it. For example, look at nuclear weapons. The nuclear arms race and proliferation were largely stopped.
- MangoCoffee 10mo agoTechnology improves every year; better chips that consume less electricity come out every year. Apple's M1 chip shows you don't need x86, which consumes more electricity and runs cooler for computing. Tech capitalists also make improvements to technology every year
- mmooss 10mo agoI agree absolutely (though I'd credit a lot of other people in addition to the capitalists). How does that apply to this discussion?
- machinationu 10mo agoPhilosophers argued since 200 years ago, when the steam engine was invented, that technology is out of our control and forever was, and we are just the sex organs for the birth of the machine god.
- goatlover 10mo ago"There is nothing so absurd that some philosopher has not already said it." - Cicero
- Yeask 10mo agoCan you please gave us sources of your claim? "Philosophers" like my brother in law or you mean respected philosophers?
- machinationu 10mo agoHeidegger, Deleuze & Guattari, Nick Land
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- Yeask 10mo agoPhilosophers after 1900 are kind of irrelevant.
- Alex2037 10mo ago>It's an old argument of tech capitalists that nothing can be done because technology's advance is like a physical law of nature. it is. >The nuclear arms race and proliferation were largely stopped. 1. the incumbents kept their nukes, kept improving them, kept expanding their arsenals. 2. multiple other states have developed nukes after the treaty and suffered no consequences for it. 3. tens of states can develop nukes in a very short time. if anything, nuclear is a prime example of failure to put a genie back in the bottle.
- mmooss 10mo ago> kept improving them, kept expanding their arsenals. They actually stopped improving them (test ban treaties) and stopped expanding their arsenals (various other treaties).
- eru 10mo agoThe world is bigger than US + China.
- MangoCoffee 10mo agoI'm not sure what your point is. The current two leading countries in the world on the AI/LLMs front are the US and China.
- decide1000 10mo agoChina and Europe (Mistral) show that models can be very good and much smaller then the current Chatgpt's/Claudes from this world. The US models are still the best, but for how long? And at what cost? It's great to work daily with Claude Code, but how realistic is it that they keep this lead. This is a new tech where I don't see a big future role for US tech. They blocked chips, so China built their own. They blocked the machines (ASML) so China built their own.
- MangoCoffee 10mo ago>This is a new tech where I don't see a big future role for US tech. They blocked chips, so China built their own. They blocked the machines (ASML) so China built their own. Nvidia, ASML, and most tech companies want to sell their products to China. Politicians are the ones blocking it. Whether there's a future for US tech is another debate.
- mk89 10mo ago> but how realistic is it that they keep this lead. The Arabs have a lot of money to invest, don't worry about that :)
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