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Zulip too has similar restrictions even on their self hosted plans. SAML/LDAP is behind paywall too.
by paper2d 9mo ago
Zulip too has similar restrictions even on their self hosted plans. SAML/LDAP is behind paywall too.
- gtech1 9mo agoWhat restrictions have you hit ?
- paper2d 9mo agoSeeing their pricing page, mobile notifications for upto 10 users is too less.
- gtech1 9mo agoBut you mentioned similar...this is a discussion about message limits (and saml ?). Those are free for self hosted. Push uses _their_ services. That's why it costs $$$. But you can build your own apns endpoint and plug into that at that volume
- emptysongglass 9mo agoPush costs pennies. It's an arbitrary restriction.
- gtech1 9mo agoThen you pay for it. Nothing stops you
- emptysongglass 9mo agoThat's precisely my point. It's an arbitrary rent-seeking restriction.
- dlkckvll 9mo agoPublishing an app in popular app stores, for an organization, requires several $100 in annual fees. That’s before any mobile app is even published.
- gtech1 9mo agoAt this point I think he's just trolling. Nobody can be this entitled
- emptysongglass 9mo agoIt's a yearly fee that amounts to a couple hundred dollars. That's about an hour of an engineer's salary. Zulip's customers make this less than a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a rounding error.
- Volundr 9mo agoIf you want to run your own push for pennies all you have to do is compile the client yourself.
- emptysongglass 9mo agoI'm not going to recompile and redistribute a binary outside the Play Store.
- Volundr 9mo agoThen your piggybacking on their infrastructure. I don't think they are unreasonable. "It can be done for pennies, but I won't" sort of implies that it does indeed take more than pennies worth of effort.
- bayindirh 9mo agoJust looked to their self hosted plans: - No limitation on search, members, etc. - 10 user limit for mobile notifications, can be relaxed via community (for non-profits, FOSS projects, etc.) - SAML/LDAP *support* is available, you can configure it. They won't provide answers to your questions. - Actually, all Zulip features are enabled sans Mobile Notifications, but for most of them, you're on your own. If you know what you're doing, it's not a problem, I assume. IOW, for self-hosted plans, you pay for support, not the software. a-la early RedHat model. Ref: https://zulip.com/plans/#self-hosted-sponsorships https://zulip.com/plans/#self-hosted-sponsorships
- Valodim 9mo agoThis is false, SAML and LDAP are available. Zulip self hosted has all features with no restrictions, except for mobile notifications which require a subscription for $3.50/u/m (unless you are less than 10 users or are not a non-profit of any kind)
- RobotToaster 9mo ago> unless you are less than 10 users or are not a non-profit of any kind They only give free accounts to non-profits with zero paid staff.
- zukzuk 9mo agoIt’s a bit odd though that Zulip charge $ for mobile notifications but still don’t have basic end-to-end encryption for those push notifications .
- Valodim 9mo agoThe feature is deployed in the server, mobile clients are still pending the release iinm. But it's coming.
- PunchyHamster 9mo agoIt's a mix of "because they can" and "because they need to maintain infrastructure for mobile push".
- paper2d 9mo agoI stand corrected. SAML & LDAP is free in zulip.