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Let's just pick one, so as to not get distracted. > The Iraq War started with around 62% support. I think the essence of my question is what did "support" loo

Let's just pick one, so as to not get distracted. > The Iraq War started with around 62% support. I think the essence of my question is what did "support" look like here? I can empathise with the position that the invasion of Iraq was warranted (which is not to say that I agree with it), in the context of the September 11 attacks. What I haven't seen is any popular support for the slaughter of civilians or the annexation of territory — there is no grand narrative that the USA is actually liberating its historical lands in Iraq. I think the support was conditional, and based on claims that later collapsed. The end goal was withdrawal after regime change. What I haven't seen is any analogue to egregious instances like this[0], of which there are many in russia's war against Ukraine. [0]: https://iwpr.net/global-voices/go-ahead-and-rape-ukrainian-women https://iwpr.net/global-voices/go-ahead-and-rape-ukrainian-w...

otabdeveloper4 10mo ago
> it's different when we do it You're not helping here.
- yakshaving_jgt 10mo ago
  Who are you quoting? Is this what HN has become? Just blatant strawmanning?
viccis 10mo ago
You're ignoring the mass atrocities committed by both sides in the Donbas throughout much of the 2010s that provided easy propaganda to achieve the same outcomes as the Iraq War propaganda. I have another example of a "war" carried out recently with overwhelming support in its nation and in the US (initially) due to rapid propaganda around an attack that was likely intentionally intensified in effect by things like moving civilian events next to a military target the day before. But I won't post that one lol
- yakshaving_jgt 10mo ago
  > You're ignoring the mass atrocities committed by both sides in the Donbas throughout much of the 2010s This is grossly misleading. It implies a scale and symmetry that reputable monitors do not support. The question now is what caused you to write this. Was it ignorance? Or malicious dishonesty?

otabdeveloper4 10mo ago

> it's different when we do it You're not helping here.

yakshaving_jgt 10mo ago
Who are you quoting? Is this what HN has become? Just blatant strawmanning?

viccis 10mo ago

You're ignoring the mass atrocities committed by both sides in the Donbas throughout much of the 2010s that provided easy propaganda to achieve the same outcomes as the Iraq War propaganda. I have another example of a "war" carried out recently with overwhelming support in its nation and in the US (initially) due to rapid propaganda around an attack that was likely intentionally intensified in effect by things like moving civilian events next to a military target the day before. But I won't post that one lol

yakshaving_jgt 10mo ago
> You're ignoring the mass atrocities committed by both sides in the Donbas throughout much of the 2010s This is grossly misleading. It implies a scale and symmetry that reputable monitors do not support. The question now is what caused you to write this. Was it ignorance? Or malicious dishonesty?