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Ronnie led a rich life. I feel ashamed that my selfish life feels pale in comparison. It's amazing these people did not worry about the extra expense and inconv

by akkad33 10mo ago

Ronnie led a rich life. I feel ashamed that my selfish life feels pale in comparison. It's amazing these people did not worry about the extra expense and inconvenience of taking care of another person, with children of their own to take care of.

ekjhgkejhgk 10mo ago
Different people are different I guess. Extra expense and inconvenience also wouldn't bother me. Instead I'd be worried that one day this guy is going to kill everyone while we're sleeping. How well do you really know someone? How well do you really know someone that just showed up at your door days before?
- everyone 10mo ago
  I dont think that's a useful way of thinking.. A well known family member could also randomly kill you. Either one is extremely unlikely.
  - fragmede 10mo ago
    The random family member, hoping they're in your will, and you having drank all their wine, has more reason to kill you, if we're going there, than some random stranger, not less. In the ridiculously off chance that's even remotely a real possibility.
  - rwmj 10mo ago
    We don't give everyone guns, which helps a lot.
  - lupusyndrby9 10mo ago
    Isn’t that kind of a lesson learned though? Hitchhiking is illegal for a reason. We don’t let children run as freely outdoors . A lot of states are rewriting or adding exemptions to statutory limits on pressing charges and suing for certain crimes because they happened during a period of time where people assumed you could trust people more. Being cautious and distrustful of strangers with mental issues is a very productive way of thinking. I get people think it’s a fren because fren shaped but give em a couple bucks , and contact a professional to get them help. It sucks there are so many mentally ill people on the streets. That doesn’t make them any less dangerous and the honest truth is there’s a weird line between personal freedom and mental illness that means it’s their right to be a crazy homeless persons. You can clean em up set them up in apartment but you can’t force them to use their benefit payments to pay the rent, keep their apartment clean, or take their medicine. Help them if you can , but please please also don’t forget that people are dangerous. Use some common sense, the last thing anyone needs is more people in the news getting hurt by people with mental illness . It’s just makes it that much harder to get compassionate care for the rest.
    - rwmj 10mo ago
      Wait, hitchhiking is illegal (in the US presumably)? (Supplemental question: how do you make hitching illegal?) In the UK I've met many interesting people both while hitchhiking myself, and while picking up hitchers. It is a practice that seems to have almost entirely disappeared here, not because it's illegal, but I guess because most people now have cars and some "stranger danger" worries.
      - lupire 10mo ago
        https://hitchwiki.org/en/United_States_of_America https://hitchwiki.org/en/United_States_of_America As for "how": legislature passes a law against it like any other traffic law. Similar to jaywalking or prostitution (soliciting sex on the side of the road).
      - lupire 10mo ago
        https://hitchwiki.org/en/United_States_of_America https://hitchwiki.org/en/United_States_of_America As for "how": legislature passes a law against it like any other traffic law. Similar to jaywalking
      - ekjhgkejhgk 10mo ago
        You should watch Rambo: First Blood. Great movie.
        aleph_minus_one 10mo ago
        The (US-American) title of the movie is only "First Blood". :-) Only from the sequel on ("Rambo: First Blood Part II") "Rambo" is part of the film title, see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rambo_(franchise)&oldid=1325856476 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rambo_(franchise)...
        Der_Einzige 10mo ago
        It’s sadly the only good Rambo IP.
    - closewith 10mo ago
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- jongjong 10mo ago
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- cenazoic 10mo ago
  “Overall, 76% of female murders and 56% of male murders were perpetrated by someone known to the victim.” https://bjs.ojp.gov/female-murder-victims-and-victim-offender-relationship-2021 https://bjs.ojp.gov/female-murder-victims-and-victim-offende...
  - ekjhgkejhgk 10mo ago
    > “Overall, 76% of female murders and 56% of male murders were perpetrated by someone known to the victim.” > https://bjs.ojp.gov/female-murder-victims-and-victim-offende https://bjs.ojp.gov/female-murder-victims-and-victim-offende... Lets say M is "being murdered" and A is "stranger in the house", "not A" is "person known to the victim in the house". The numbers you're quoting say that P(not A | M) is large, implying that P(A | M) is small. However, to make a decision on whether to let someone in, I care about P(M | A). You need to exercise that critical thinking more. You just heard someone say "the murders are known to the victim" and you instantly dropped your common sense.
    - card_zero 10mo ago
      I don't think statistics are relevant at all. Suppose the stranger is wielding a kopesh, an ancient Egyptian sword. What we want to know is not "how many murderers use kopeshes?" (none of them), but "is this guy a murderer?", and that seems in line with what you're saying about statistics. However, the question "how many wielders of kopeshes are murderers?" is also irrelevant, and the answer is still none of them. Similarly, "how many strangers in your house have been murderers?" is irrelevant, even if the answer is "all of them so far". Perhaps you only ever let one stranger into your house, and once inside she killed somebody with an arquebus, and you said "never again" - but that would be paranoia. Perhaps you look at country-wide statistics for the average stranger (these aren't kept), but you are not personally country-wide, and the specific stranger is not an average. What's more, if you befriend the stranger, what statistic do you want to use then? The thing to do is reason, not count. I think the 76%, 56% statistic (although irrelevant to a decision) is attempting to say a lot of murderers are motivated by interpersonal relationships, you know, and get you to think about what a given person might be up to, or might want, and the extent to which you can even tell, and the value of risking the unknown.
- oulipo2 10mo ago
  Sure, but in France we have about 100/150 feminicides per year. You're much more likely to be killed by your (seemingly "sane") partner in a bout of fury over a breakup than by some random autistic guy
  - bondarchuk 10mo ago
    Bayes' law, many more people have romantic partners than former homeless living with them.
    - ekjhgkejhgk 10mo ago
      Thank you!! I just commented the same thing, but people will eat any meme you throw at them, it's quite shocking. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46384274 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46384274 One thing that spending time talking to people online has taught me is how often what people say is just mindlessly repeating something they heard somewhere. It's also fantastic how I find your response more persuasive than mine, while using fewer words. Well done.
    - oulipo2 10mo ago
      That wasn't the point of the answer. The point is "How well do you really know someone?". You really don't. Many people live with partners who end up killing them, although they thought they trusted them. Besides, "Bayes law" is not on your side on this one, it's well-known that "regular people" are over-represented in homicide, and "autistic people" or even "schizophrenic people" are under-represented and are mostly harmless
      - ekjhgkejhgk 10mo ago
        You confused P(A|B) with P(B|A), stop doubling down.
      - bondarchuk 10mo ago
        All of that may very well be but correct reasoning is a prerequisite to talking about any of these points.
latexr 10mo ago
> I feel ashamed that my selfish life feels pale in comparison. You’re still alive, thus you still have the chance to live a more selfless life you feel proud of. > It's amazing these people did not worry about the extra expense and inconvenience of taking care of another person Seems to me they did worry, but decided to do it anyway. > with children of their own to take care of. The children came later, and Ronnie helped to take care of them.

by akkad33 10mo ago

ekjhgkejhgk 10mo ago

Different people are different I guess. Extra expense and inconvenience also wouldn't bother me. Instead I'd be worried that one day this guy is going to kill everyone while we're sleeping. How well do you really know someone? How well do you really know someone that just showed up at your door days before?

everyone 10mo ago
I dont think that's a useful way of thinking.. A well known family member could also randomly kill you. Either one is extremely unlikely.
- fragmede 10mo ago
  The random family member, hoping they're in your will, and you having drank all their wine, has more reason to kill you, if we're going there, than some random stranger, not less. In the ridiculously off chance that's even remotely a real possibility.
- rwmj 10mo ago
  We don't give everyone guns, which helps a lot.
- lupusyndrby9 10mo ago
  Isn’t that kind of a lesson learned though? Hitchhiking is illegal for a reason. We don’t let children run as freely outdoors . A lot of states are rewriting or adding exemptions to statutory limits on pressing charges and suing for certain crimes because they happened during a period of time where people assumed you could trust people more. Being cautious and distrustful of strangers with mental issues is a very productive way of thinking. I get people think it’s a fren because fren shaped but give em a couple bucks , and contact a professional to get them help. It sucks there are so many mentally ill people on the streets. That doesn’t make them any less dangerous and the honest truth is there’s a weird line between personal freedom and mental illness that means it’s their right to be a crazy homeless persons. You can clean em up set them up in apartment but you can’t force them to use their benefit payments to pay the rent, keep their apartment clean, or take their medicine. Help them if you can , but please please also don’t forget that people are dangerous. Use some common sense, the last thing anyone needs is more people in the news getting hurt by people with mental illness . It’s just makes it that much harder to get compassionate care for the rest.
  - rwmj 10mo ago
    Wait, hitchhiking is illegal (in the US presumably)? (Supplemental question: how do you make hitching illegal?) In the UK I've met many interesting people both while hitchhiking myself, and while picking up hitchers. It is a practice that seems to have almost entirely disappeared here, not because it's illegal, but I guess because most people now have cars and some "stranger danger" worries.
    - lupire 10mo ago
      https://hitchwiki.org/en/United_States_of_America https://hitchwiki.org/en/United_States_of_America As for "how": legislature passes a law against it like any other traffic law. Similar to jaywalking or prostitution (soliciting sex on the side of the road).
    - lupire 10mo ago
      https://hitchwiki.org/en/United_States_of_America https://hitchwiki.org/en/United_States_of_America As for "how": legislature passes a law against it like any other traffic law. Similar to jaywalking
    - ekjhgkejhgk 10mo ago
      You should watch Rambo: First Blood. Great movie.
      - aleph_minus_one 10mo ago
        The (US-American) title of the movie is only "First Blood". :-) Only from the sequel on ("Rambo: First Blood Part II") "Rambo" is part of the film title, see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rambo_(franchise)&oldid=1325856476 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rambo_(franchise)...
      - Der_Einzige 10mo ago
        It’s sadly the only good Rambo IP.
  - closewith 10mo ago
- deleted 10mo ago
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jongjong 10mo ago
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cenazoic 10mo ago
“Overall, 76% of female murders and 56% of male murders were perpetrated by someone known to the victim.” https://bjs.ojp.gov/female-murder-victims-and-victim-offender-relationship-2021 https://bjs.ojp.gov/female-murder-victims-and-victim-offende...
- ekjhgkejhgk 10mo ago
  > “Overall, 76% of female murders and 56% of male murders were perpetrated by someone known to the victim.” > https://bjs.ojp.gov/female-murder-victims-and-victim-offende https://bjs.ojp.gov/female-murder-victims-and-victim-offende... Lets say M is "being murdered" and A is "stranger in the house", "not A" is "person known to the victim in the house". The numbers you're quoting say that P(not A | M) is large, implying that P(A | M) is small. However, to make a decision on whether to let someone in, I care about P(M | A). You need to exercise that critical thinking more. You just heard someone say "the murders are known to the victim" and you instantly dropped your common sense.
  - card_zero 10mo ago
    I don't think statistics are relevant at all. Suppose the stranger is wielding a kopesh, an ancient Egyptian sword. What we want to know is not "how many murderers use kopeshes?" (none of them), but "is this guy a murderer?", and that seems in line with what you're saying about statistics. However, the question "how many wielders of kopeshes are murderers?" is also irrelevant, and the answer is still none of them. Similarly, "how many strangers in your house have been murderers?" is irrelevant, even if the answer is "all of them so far". Perhaps you only ever let one stranger into your house, and once inside she killed somebody with an arquebus, and you said "never again" - but that would be paranoia. Perhaps you look at country-wide statistics for the average stranger (these aren't kept), but you are not personally country-wide, and the specific stranger is not an average. What's more, if you befriend the stranger, what statistic do you want to use then? The thing to do is reason, not count. I think the 76%, 56% statistic (although irrelevant to a decision) is attempting to say a lot of murderers are motivated by interpersonal relationships, you know, and get you to think about what a given person might be up to, or might want, and the extent to which you can even tell, and the value of risking the unknown.
oulipo2 10mo ago
Sure, but in France we have about 100/150 feminicides per year. You're much more likely to be killed by your (seemingly "sane") partner in a bout of fury over a breakup than by some random autistic guy
- bondarchuk 10mo ago
  Bayes' law, many more people have romantic partners than former homeless living with them.
  - ekjhgkejhgk 10mo ago
    Thank you!! I just commented the same thing, but people will eat any meme you throw at them, it's quite shocking. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46384274 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46384274 One thing that spending time talking to people online has taught me is how often what people say is just mindlessly repeating something they heard somewhere. It's also fantastic how I find your response more persuasive than mine, while using fewer words. Well done.
  - oulipo2 10mo ago
    That wasn't the point of the answer. The point is "How well do you really know someone?". You really don't. Many people live with partners who end up killing them, although they thought they trusted them. Besides, "Bayes law" is not on your side on this one, it's well-known that "regular people" are over-represented in homicide, and "autistic people" or even "schizophrenic people" are under-represented and are mostly harmless
    - ekjhgkejhgk 10mo ago
      You confused P(A|B) with P(B|A), stop doubling down.
    - bondarchuk 10mo ago
      All of that may very well be but correct reasoning is a prerequisite to talking about any of these points.

latexr 10mo ago

> I feel ashamed that my selfish life feels pale in comparison. You’re still alive, thus you still have the chance to live a more selfless life you feel proud of. > It's amazing these people did not worry about the extra expense and inconvenience of taking care of another person Seems to me they did worry, but decided to do it anyway. > with children of their own to take care of. The children came later, and Ronnie helped to take care of them.