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I don't think the chinese government cares about every fringe case. Many "forbidden" topics are well known to Chinese people, but they also know it is forbidden

I don't think the chinese government cares about every fringe case. Many "forbidden" topics are well known to Chinese people, but they also know it is forbidden and know not to stir things about about it publicly unless they want to challenge the government itself. Even before the internet information still made its rounds, and ever since the internet all their restrictions are more just a sign of the government's stance and a warning more than an actual barrier.

refurb 10mo ago
But what you’re missing (and I think the CCP fears) is the general bent of AI being aligned to Western rights. The communists are incredibly smart when it comes to propaganda. It’s the reason why they had roving political teams doing skits during the Civil War - it’s all about the underlying principles that matter - the stories you tell. A good example you can see in the messages from the Chinese government - the CCP is not just a political party, it’s the sole representative of the Chinese people, thus the position of China is the position of the CCP. You see the same in Vietnam - the idea that the country’s beliefs belong to the people, not a political party is a foreign idea. Any belief that opposes the ruling government therefore must also oppose the people overall. Now imagine an AI that says “the CCP is just a political party with no inherent right to rule China”
- AngryData 10mo ago
  I don't think I am missing anything, I just don't see why they should care as much as people want to think. Propaganda works on repetition, and China has been at the propaganda game for long enough to know you can't block all information, you just gotta have enough PR to oppose it and make it known who you are challenging if you try to speak against it. AI isn't changing that, it is just another avenue to throw their propaganda/PR spin at.
  - refurb 10mo ago
    But the point is that China actively suppresses messages right now. Social media posts, people with banners on streets, people publishing blogs, people publishing newspapers. Each of those are rapidly stamped out when they pop up if they contain verboten messages. This is just China doing the same to AI.

refurb 10mo ago

But what you’re missing (and I think the CCP fears) is the general bent of AI being aligned to Western rights. The communists are incredibly smart when it comes to propaganda. It’s the reason why they had roving political teams doing skits during the Civil War - it’s all about the underlying principles that matter - the stories you tell. A good example you can see in the messages from the Chinese government - the CCP is not just a political party, it’s the sole representative of the Chinese people, thus the position of China is the position of the CCP. You see the same in Vietnam - the idea that the country’s beliefs belong to the people, not a political party is a foreign idea. Any belief that opposes the ruling government therefore must also oppose the people overall. Now imagine an AI that says “the CCP is just a political party with no inherent right to rule China”

AngryData 10mo ago
I don't think I am missing anything, I just don't see why they should care as much as people want to think. Propaganda works on repetition, and China has been at the propaganda game for long enough to know you can't block all information, you just gotta have enough PR to oppose it and make it known who you are challenging if you try to speak against it. AI isn't changing that, it is just another avenue to throw their propaganda/PR spin at.
- refurb 10mo ago
  But the point is that China actively suppresses messages right now. Social media posts, people with banners on streets, people publishing blogs, people publishing newspapers. Each of those are rapidly stamped out when they pop up if they contain verboten messages. This is just China doing the same to AI.