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Good news. The devs of x11 agree and made a replacement called... Way... Oops

by nixosbestos 10mo ago

vidarh 10mo ago
Yeah, no, the X11 devs made pretty much all the wrong tradeoffs for me.
- nixosbestos 10mo ago
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- bigyabai 10mo ago
  I wonder why Valve disagrees.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 10mo ago
    Valve ships a Wayland compositor that just runs XWayland for apps and doesn't even expose the Wayland socket by default. I'm really not sure how we're supposed to count that.
    - mikkupikku 10mo ago
      Valve being eminently pragmatic, as usual.
  - vidarh 10mo ago
    Presumably Valve cares about different things than me. I wonder why you think what Valve does has any relevance to my experience or priorities.
Qwertious 10mo ago
"The devs of x11" is a wide category, considering how many X11 devs weren't even born when X11 was first written. Plenty of X11 devs objected to Wayland and tried to patch X11, but when half the devs decide they want to write a replacement and put the original into maintenance-mode, there's not much you can do.
- bigyabai 10mo ago
  > there's not much you can do. You could fork it. X11 hasn't shipped a major release since 2005, the likelihood of a complete overhaul making it upstream was slim to none even in 2009. X11 developers were better-off focusing on stability, and the Wayland devs moved on. There was no conspiracy to kill either project.
  - ablob 10mo ago
    Forking a project when the issue is that half of the staff left the project does nothing to alleviate the staffing issue, does it?
    - pjmlp 10mo ago
      Isn't that the greatness of FOSS over commercial software that keeps being spoken about?
    - cycomanic 10mo ago
      So what is it, in one comment you say there were plenty of x11 devs who objected to wayland (please name and show the posts) and on the other hand you say there were not enough to keep an xorg fork going? People are arguing that fixing the issues in X11 would have been much easier and less work than making wayland. So why could those half of x11 developers who left make wayland while the other half that was left over could not even make one release?
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PunchyHamster 10mo ago
and failed to learn any lesson from X11

Good news. The devs of x11 agree and made a replacement called... Way... Oops

vidarh 10mo ago

Yeah, no, the X11 devs made pretty much all the wrong tradeoffs for me.

nixosbestos 10mo ago
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bigyabai 10mo ago
I wonder why Valve disagrees.
- yjftsjthsd-h 10mo ago
  Valve ships a Wayland compositor that just runs XWayland for apps and doesn't even expose the Wayland socket by default. I'm really not sure how we're supposed to count that.
  - mikkupikku 10mo ago
    Valve being eminently pragmatic, as usual.
- vidarh 10mo ago
  Presumably Valve cares about different things than me. I wonder why you think what Valve does has any relevance to my experience or priorities.

Qwertious 10mo ago

"The devs of x11" is a wide category, considering how many X11 devs weren't even born when X11 was first written. Plenty of X11 devs objected to Wayland and tried to patch X11, but when half the devs decide they want to write a replacement and put the original into maintenance-mode, there's not much you can do.

bigyabai 10mo ago
> there's not much you can do. You could fork it. X11 hasn't shipped a major release since 2005, the likelihood of a complete overhaul making it upstream was slim to none even in 2009. X11 developers were better-off focusing on stability, and the Wayland devs moved on. There was no conspiracy to kill either project.
- ablob 10mo ago
  Forking a project when the issue is that half of the staff left the project does nothing to alleviate the staffing issue, does it?
  - pjmlp 10mo ago
    Isn't that the greatness of FOSS over commercial software that keeps being spoken about?
  - cycomanic 10mo ago
    So what is it, in one comment you say there were plenty of x11 devs who objected to wayland (please name and show the posts) and on the other hand you say there were not enough to keep an xorg fork going? People are arguing that fixing the issues in X11 would have been much easier and less work than making wayland. So why could those half of x11 developers who left make wayland while the other half that was left over could not even make one release?
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PunchyHamster 10mo ago

and failed to learn any lesson from X11