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I would argue the ammount of space in cities wasted on cars and their infrastructure is totally insane.
by m4rtink 10mo ago
I would argue the ammount of space in cities wasted on cars and their infrastructure is totally insane.
- dpark 10mo agoAnd again, the conversation here is about delivery trucks, not cars. Eliminating cars doesn’t eliminate the need for infrastructure for moving goods.
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- hogrug 10mo ago> Eliminating cars doesn’t eliminate the need for infrastructure for moving goods. Burying other last mile utilities that waste less land was not insane when real estate was a fraction as valuable as now and engineering technology was worse.
- dpark 10mo agoI wonder how many miles of fiber would have been laid if fiber required a tunnel big enough to drive a delivery truck through.
- hogrug 10mo agoYou bring up an interesting point for the US to have a first world level of fiber to the home it needs to require diesel.
- dpark 10mo agoWhen I see bad faith arguments like this I earnestly worry that maybe sometimes I do the same and just don’t recognize it. Did you read my comment about the cost of laying fiber being far different from the cost of digging truck-sized tunnels and make a conscious choice to pretend I was making a nonsense argument about diesel-powered fiber, or did you construct this strawman without realizing it?
- hogrug 10mo agoI don't think you are trying to look at it rationally but simply in terms of priors where sprawl has cost an immense amount of resources. A tunnel where 2 pallets can cross is not much larger than a sewer, fits bellow a pedestrian/emergency vehicle system and is more valuable than a larger tunnel because it can never be DoT approved.