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> Learning the language of a nation where a significant percentage of population supports war and killing is not something I'd consider. Are you a european/whi

by fasbiner 10mo ago

> Learning the language of a nation where a significant percentage of population supports war and killing is not something I'd consider. Are you a european/white supremacist who doesn't consider the victims of the anglosphere to be human, or are you historically illiterate, even of extremely recent history? I don't see a third option here since you learned english also, would appreciate an explanation for this special pleading rather than furious downvoting when identifying basic empirical discrepancies in the face of what looks to be materially false claims.

sublimefire 10mo ago
trolling is really an art ^^^^ the references were about russian federation waging an imperialistic type of a war to conquer land when they have the most land already
- fasbiner 10mo ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Invasions_by_Great_Britain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Invasions_by_Great_Br... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States_in_the_21st_century https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_Uni... This kind of historical blindness and hysterical hypocrisy has never ended well. Is HN becoming a place where we should expect people to lie to us and promote trivially disprovably rationales in order to foment cultural and racial hatreds based on current political conveniences? "Never believe they are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. By giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert."
- wartywhoa23 10mo ago
  You're really deep into painting everyone with the same brush, aren't you? Define russian federation first. Am I it? Is it land? Is it government? Is it those zombie mercenaries who execute criminal orders? Is it those who got jailed after protests against war? Is it those who got conscripted? Those who fled the country to avoid that? Those who struggle to meet ends? Those cruising aboard 150 meter yachts? Who is this elusive mrs. russian federation?
  - jwr 10mo ago
    It's pretty simple, actually. Do you hold a Russian passport? You're Russian. If you "don't support" the invasion and killing, either start changing the system, or get rid of the passport. Yes, it's inconvenient. So are the missiles and bombs falling on the heads of people in Ukraine for them.
    - wartywhoa23 10mo ago
      > start changing the system, or get rid of the passport Right after you, my friend, as soon as you singlehandedly stop the US special military operation in Venezuela and extrajudicial killing of people off its coasts, or jail the commanders and mercenaries of EU forces in Syria, Afghan and Libyian war, depending on your passport. Or get rid of it. And before you deploy your strawman about "terrorists" - that's exactly the same term that has been used by the kremlin to excuse the invasion into Ukraine. Your illusion of possibility to change the system shall pass soon, rest assured.
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yakshaving_jgt 10mo ago
When the russian military fired missiles and drones at my house, I should just accept it because some of my distant ancestors persecuted brown people. Is that your take? Also, russia’s war against Ukraine enjoys popular support in russia today. Is your argument that the majority of UK and/or US citizens are eager for their respective countries to engage in war against former colonies today? Fucking wild.
- fasbiner 10mo ago
  I think that if you clicked on the links and reviewed the original claim, you'd see that you removed every single word and concept and overwhelmingly mutually agreed upon fact and then replaced it with nonsense. Russian and English are both languages of empires that have engaged in countless acts of violence and aggression. They are not equivalent, but to deny this or heavily qualify it (like dismissing acts of war and violence that happened literally yesterday as "distant") in either direction is inherently hypocritical and dehumanizing. Honestly, I am starting to suspect you are a Kremlin agent designed to make europeans opposed to their war look so crazy that global opinion shifts against the Ukrainians by tying them to denial of and advocacy for the worst acts of europeans.
  - yakshaving_jgt 10mo ago
    …Wow. > Honestly, I am starting to suspect you are a Kremlin agent Ok, I'll clarify my position, for the avoidance of doubt. The terrorist state of russia's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine and ongoing genocide is the darkest chapter in European history since the Holocaust. The putin regime has no regard for human life, and russian soldiers brag about raping women, and murdering children, sometimes by shooting them in the head at point-blank range. Many of these rapes and murders are even encouraged by the wives of russian soldiers — thousands of kilometres away from the front lines. We have it all on tape. While I am not a soldier, I have two medals from the Ukrainian military for volunteering, and I will continue to help Ukrainian soldiers protect civilians in Ukraine, and to put russian invaders in the ground where they belong. Does that clear things up for you?
    - 10mo ago

sublimefire 10mo ago

trolling is really an art ^^^^ the references were about russian federation waging an imperialistic type of a war to conquer land when they have the most land already

fasbiner 10mo ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Invasions_by_Great_Britain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Invasions_by_Great_Br... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States_in_the_21st_century https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_Uni... This kind of historical blindness and hysterical hypocrisy has never ended well. Is HN becoming a place where we should expect people to lie to us and promote trivially disprovably rationales in order to foment cultural and racial hatreds based on current political conveniences? "Never believe they are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. By giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert."
wartywhoa23 10mo ago
You're really deep into painting everyone with the same brush, aren't you? Define russian federation first. Am I it? Is it land? Is it government? Is it those zombie mercenaries who execute criminal orders? Is it those who got jailed after protests against war? Is it those who got conscripted? Those who fled the country to avoid that? Those who struggle to meet ends? Those cruising aboard 150 meter yachts? Who is this elusive mrs. russian federation?
- jwr 10mo ago
  It's pretty simple, actually. Do you hold a Russian passport? You're Russian. If you "don't support" the invasion and killing, either start changing the system, or get rid of the passport. Yes, it's inconvenient. So are the missiles and bombs falling on the heads of people in Ukraine for them.
  - wartywhoa23 10mo ago
    > start changing the system, or get rid of the passport Right after you, my friend, as soon as you singlehandedly stop the US special military operation in Venezuela and extrajudicial killing of people off its coasts, or jail the commanders and mercenaries of EU forces in Syria, Afghan and Libyian war, depending on your passport. Or get rid of it. And before you deploy your strawman about "terrorists" - that's exactly the same term that has been used by the kremlin to excuse the invasion into Ukraine. Your illusion of possibility to change the system shall pass soon, rest assured.
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yakshaving_jgt 10mo ago

When the russian military fired missiles and drones at my house, I should just accept it because some of my distant ancestors persecuted brown people. Is that your take? Also, russia’s war against Ukraine enjoys popular support in russia today. Is your argument that the majority of UK and/or US citizens are eager for their respective countries to engage in war against former colonies today? Fucking wild.

fasbiner 10mo ago
I think that if you clicked on the links and reviewed the original claim, you'd see that you removed every single word and concept and overwhelmingly mutually agreed upon fact and then replaced it with nonsense. Russian and English are both languages of empires that have engaged in countless acts of violence and aggression. They are not equivalent, but to deny this or heavily qualify it (like dismissing acts of war and violence that happened literally yesterday as "distant") in either direction is inherently hypocritical and dehumanizing. Honestly, I am starting to suspect you are a Kremlin agent designed to make europeans opposed to their war look so crazy that global opinion shifts against the Ukrainians by tying them to denial of and advocacy for the worst acts of europeans.
- yakshaving_jgt 10mo ago
  …Wow. > Honestly, I am starting to suspect you are a Kremlin agent Ok, I'll clarify my position, for the avoidance of doubt. The terrorist state of russia's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine and ongoing genocide is the darkest chapter in European history since the Holocaust. The putin regime has no regard for human life, and russian soldiers brag about raping women, and murdering children, sometimes by shooting them in the head at point-blank range. Many of these rapes and murders are even encouraged by the wives of russian soldiers — thousands of kilometres away from the front lines. We have it all on tape. While I am not a soldier, I have two medals from the Ukrainian military for volunteering, and I will continue to help Ukrainian soldiers protect civilians in Ukraine, and to put russian invaders in the ground where they belong. Does that clear things up for you?
  - 10mo ago