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The amount of times this has been asked with no confirmation leads me to believe they still do not. Tesla fanboys gush about how FSD can understand LEO at irre

The amount of times this has been asked with no confirmation leads me to believe they still do not. Tesla fanboys gush about how FSD can understand LEO at irregular traffic conditions, but no company I’m aware of has confirmed their systems are capable.

HarHarVeryFunny 10mo ago
Teslas currently have a driver in the front who could take over in these situations. Waymo said they normally handle traffic light outages as 4-way stops, but sometimes call home for help - perhaps if they detect someone in the intersection directing traffic ? Makes you wonder in general how these cars are designed to handle police directing traffic.
- dham 10mo ago
  It kind of makes sense. Why program or train on such a rare occurrence. Just send it off to a human to interpret and be done with it. If that's the case then Tesla is closer to Waymo then previously thought. Maybe even ahead.
  - HarHarVeryFunny 9mo ago
    I don't think traffic light outages (e.g. flashing yellow) or police directing traffic at intersections is that rare, but regardless these cars do need to handle it in a safe and legal manner, which either means recognizing police gestures in a reliable way, or phoning home. We know that Waymos phone home when needed, but not sure how Tesla handles these situations. I'm not sure how you conclude anything about Tesla based on their current temporary "safety monitor" humans in the cars - this is just a temporary measure until they get approval to go autonomous.
    - dham 9mo ago
      I can conclude based on using FSD every single day. I've hit issues just like this, as well as police directing. And it's completely fine.
      - HarHarVeryFunny 9mo ago
        Googling for this, apparently Tesla do try to recognize police gestures, and are getting better at it. I wonder who gets the ticket when a driverless car does break the law and get stopped by police? If it's a Taxi service (maybe without a passenger in the car) then maybe it'd the service, but that's a bit different than issuing a traffic ticket to a driver (where there's points as well as a fine). What if it's a privately owner car - would the ticket go to the car owner, or to the company that built the car ?!
    - SoftTalker 9mo ago
      I seem to remember as a kid that cops would be directing traffic often if a signal was out or malfunctioning. I haven't seen that in years. The only time I see anyone directing traffic is around accidents, construction zones, or special events.
krisoft 10mo ago
> The amount of times this has been asked with no confirmation leads me to believe they still do not. They do follow hand signals from police. There are many videos documenting the behaviour. Here is one from waymo: https://waymo.com/blog/2024/03/scaling-waymo-one-safely-across-four-cities-this-year https://waymo.com/blog/2024/03/scaling-waymo-one-safely-acro... Look for the embed next to the text saying “The Waymo Driver recently interpreting a police officer’s hand signals in a Los Angeles intersection.” Or here is a video observing the behaviour in the wild: https://youtu.be/3Qk_QhG5whw?si=GCBBNJqB22GRvxk1 https://youtu.be/3Qk_QhG5whw?si=GCBBNJqB22GRvxk1 Do you want confirmation about something more specific?
- ckemere 10mo ago
  Is there confirm that it’s not remotely controlled at this point?
  - pastel8739 9mo ago
    I very much doubt they would refer to that as “the Waymo Driver interpreting” the hand signals.
  - fragmede 9mo ago
    That's between Waymo and their investors at this point. They claim it's not, but it's not there's any way for them to actually prove they aren't, like the moon landing.
    - oceanplexian 9mo ago
      FSD on the other hand works fine without sleight of hand techniques, since I’ve taken it up to rural Maine without any cellular connectivity and it worked great, even in irregular rural traffic situations.
- testfrequency 9mo ago
  Thanks for sharing! Happy to see progress here and an actual statement from a company vs normies arguing they are capable or not..

HarHarVeryFunny 10mo ago

Teslas currently have a driver in the front who could take over in these situations. Waymo said they normally handle traffic light outages as 4-way stops, but sometimes call home for help - perhaps if they detect someone in the intersection directing traffic ? Makes you wonder in general how these cars are designed to handle police directing traffic.

dham 10mo ago
It kind of makes sense. Why program or train on such a rare occurrence. Just send it off to a human to interpret and be done with it. If that's the case then Tesla is closer to Waymo then previously thought. Maybe even ahead.
- HarHarVeryFunny 9mo ago
  I don't think traffic light outages (e.g. flashing yellow) or police directing traffic at intersections is that rare, but regardless these cars do need to handle it in a safe and legal manner, which either means recognizing police gestures in a reliable way, or phoning home. We know that Waymos phone home when needed, but not sure how Tesla handles these situations. I'm not sure how you conclude anything about Tesla based on their current temporary "safety monitor" humans in the cars - this is just a temporary measure until they get approval to go autonomous.
  - dham 9mo ago
    I can conclude based on using FSD every single day. I've hit issues just like this, as well as police directing. And it's completely fine.
    - HarHarVeryFunny 9mo ago
      Googling for this, apparently Tesla do try to recognize police gestures, and are getting better at it. I wonder who gets the ticket when a driverless car does break the law and get stopped by police? If it's a Taxi service (maybe without a passenger in the car) then maybe it'd the service, but that's a bit different than issuing a traffic ticket to a driver (where there's points as well as a fine). What if it's a privately owner car - would the ticket go to the car owner, or to the company that built the car ?!
  - SoftTalker 9mo ago
    I seem to remember as a kid that cops would be directing traffic often if a signal was out or malfunctioning. I haven't seen that in years. The only time I see anyone directing traffic is around accidents, construction zones, or special events.

krisoft 10mo ago

> The amount of times this has been asked with no confirmation leads me to believe they still do not. They do follow hand signals from police. There are many videos documenting the behaviour. Here is one from waymo: https://waymo.com/blog/2024/03/scaling-waymo-one-safely-across-four-cities-this-year https://waymo.com/blog/2024/03/scaling-waymo-one-safely-acro... Look for the embed next to the text saying “The Waymo Driver recently interpreting a police officer’s hand signals in a Los Angeles intersection.” Or here is a video observing the behaviour in the wild: https://youtu.be/3Qk_QhG5whw?si=GCBBNJqB22GRvxk1 https://youtu.be/3Qk_QhG5whw?si=GCBBNJqB22GRvxk1 Do you want confirmation about something more specific?

ckemere 10mo ago
Is there confirm that it’s not remotely controlled at this point?
- pastel8739 9mo ago
  I very much doubt they would refer to that as “the Waymo Driver interpreting” the hand signals.
- fragmede 9mo ago
  That's between Waymo and their investors at this point. They claim it's not, but it's not there's any way for them to actually prove they aren't, like the moon landing.
  - oceanplexian 9mo ago
    FSD on the other hand works fine without sleight of hand techniques, since I’ve taken it up to rural Maine without any cellular connectivity and it worked great, even in irregular rural traffic situations.
testfrequency 9mo ago
Thanks for sharing! Happy to see progress here and an actual statement from a company vs normies arguing they are capable or not..