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> If everyone in the news media is against you or ignores you ... The 'news media' is an incredibly diverse range of disconnected groups of people, especially

by mmooss 11mo ago

> If everyone in the news media is against you or ignores you ... The 'news media' is an incredibly diverse range of disconnected groups of people, especially in the Internet era. Look at the front page of HN. You hardly see the leading journalism organizations (e.g., NY Times, network news, etc.). That "everyone" is against you is a conspiracy theory.

charcircuit 11mo ago
I am talking about cases where 99% of people ignore the topic and potentially 1 person writes on it in a biased way. Diversity doesn't matter if everyone ignores it.
- mmooss 11mo ago
  It sounds possible, though could you give an example? How do you know about the topic?
  - charcircuit 11mo ago
    In my experience just look up any niche community you are a part of that has a controversies section. You'll be able to see inaccuracies due to these articles being written by people outside of the community. Sometimes inconsequential drama will be the only thing the article is about since otherwise your community is not noteworthy enough. It's a shame since it can hurt the communities reputation due to how highly ranked wikipedia pages can be.
  - jibal 11mo ago
    Of course they didn't provide an example, they just waved their hands. If someone does encounter an example, they are free to correct it by adding sourced material or by removing unsourced material (preferably after a notice on the talk page). And they say "It's a shame since it can hurt the communities reputation due to how highly ranked wikipedia pages can be" after saying that this happens because 99% of people pay no attention to the topic.
    - charcircuit 11mo ago
      >If someone does encounter an example, they are free to correct it by adding sourced material or by removing unsourced material (preferably after a notice on the talk page). How can I correct it if it is sourced, but not true? Since I'm a primary source, I can't simply say it's untrue and remove it, even if I provide evidence. It's my understanding that I would need to wait for a reliable secondary source to write that it's not true. And since it is unlikely for someone to write about a dead community, such a valid article may never be written.
tehjoker 11mo ago
How often are marxist sources quoted on foreign affairs? There is a bias because the news is biased in that way, quite intentionally.
- mmooss 11mo ago
  Who are you referring to? Let's have some names and evidence. I've read more foreign affairs (per year) than possibly anyone you know and I don't recall any Marxists. Marxism is non-existent as a political force, outside the disinformation of a certain political movement which uses the term for everyone to the left of them (which is almost everyone else). But I'm always open to evidence. And whose intent and what evidence is there of that intent?
  - tehjoker 11mo ago
    You just made my point
    - mmooss 11mo ago
      You need to make your point, or people will conclude that you are just making it up. Show us some evidence, name some Marxists.
      - tehjoker 11mo ago
        there are entire countries of marxists, china and cuba. in the us, there is a growing trend but marxists are disfavored from grants. parenti was one, hes old now. losurdo was one and he had trouble getting published even by verso. if you doubt the culture of the monied institutions in the us are anticommunist i dont know what to tell you. there are also many black academic marxists around such as august nimtz. the stuff that gets play in the us is compatible left slop, liberal, or fascist lenses. ppl are selected for positions because they believe the correct things.
        mmooss 10mo ago

by mmooss 11mo ago

charcircuit 11mo ago

I am talking about cases where 99% of people ignore the topic and potentially 1 person writes on it in a biased way. Diversity doesn't matter if everyone ignores it.

mmooss 11mo ago
It sounds possible, though could you give an example? How do you know about the topic?
- charcircuit 11mo ago
  In my experience just look up any niche community you are a part of that has a controversies section. You'll be able to see inaccuracies due to these articles being written by people outside of the community. Sometimes inconsequential drama will be the only thing the article is about since otherwise your community is not noteworthy enough. It's a shame since it can hurt the communities reputation due to how highly ranked wikipedia pages can be.
- jibal 11mo ago
  Of course they didn't provide an example, they just waved their hands. If someone does encounter an example, they are free to correct it by adding sourced material or by removing unsourced material (preferably after a notice on the talk page). And they say "It's a shame since it can hurt the communities reputation due to how highly ranked wikipedia pages can be" after saying that this happens because 99% of people pay no attention to the topic.
  - charcircuit 11mo ago
    >If someone does encounter an example, they are free to correct it by adding sourced material or by removing unsourced material (preferably after a notice on the talk page). How can I correct it if it is sourced, but not true? Since I'm a primary source, I can't simply say it's untrue and remove it, even if I provide evidence. It's my understanding that I would need to wait for a reliable secondary source to write that it's not true. And since it is unlikely for someone to write about a dead community, such a valid article may never be written.

tehjoker 11mo ago

How often are marxist sources quoted on foreign affairs? There is a bias because the news is biased in that way, quite intentionally.

mmooss 11mo ago
Who are you referring to? Let's have some names and evidence. I've read more foreign affairs (per year) than possibly anyone you know and I don't recall any Marxists. Marxism is non-existent as a political force, outside the disinformation of a certain political movement which uses the term for everyone to the left of them (which is almost everyone else). But I'm always open to evidence. And whose intent and what evidence is there of that intent?
- tehjoker 11mo ago
  You just made my point
  - mmooss 11mo ago
    You need to make your point, or people will conclude that you are just making it up. Show us some evidence, name some Marxists.
    - tehjoker 11mo ago
      there are entire countries of marxists, china and cuba. in the us, there is a growing trend but marxists are disfavored from grants. parenti was one, hes old now. losurdo was one and he had trouble getting published even by verso. if you doubt the culture of the monied institutions in the us are anticommunist i dont know what to tell you. there are also many black academic marxists around such as august nimtz. the stuff that gets play in the us is compatible left slop, liberal, or fascist lenses. ppl are selected for positions because they believe the correct things.
      - mmooss 10mo ago