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> "Software architect Grady Booch is the Chief Scientist for Software Engineering at IBM Research Almaden and a trustee of the Computer History Museum. He offer

> "Software architect Grady Booch is the Chief Scientist for Software Engineering at IBM Research Almaden and a trustee of the Computer History Museum. He offers the following observations about the Photoshop source code." OMG. Booch?? The father of UML is still around? Given that UML is a true crime against humanity, it just goes to show there is no justice in the world. (I want a lifespan refund for the amount of time I spent learning UML and Design Patterns back in the bad old Enterprise Java days. Oof)

heap_perms 10mo ago
I completed a CS degree just a year ago, and they absolutely wrecked us with UML. I’m still recovering mentally.
- goalieca 10mo ago
  UML used to be a staple of job interviews.
  - forgetfulness 10mo ago
    It was going to be the future of Software Engineering in the 2000s, Software Architects laying out boxes for Software Bricklayers to implement as dictated, code generation tools were going to make programming trivial. For trivial CRUD apps, and maintaining modified versions of the generated code was a nightmare.
    - goalieca 10mo ago
      This AI hype cycle reminds me of that era.
    - pjmlp 10mo ago
      I was drawing UML before Christmas vacations, when one works at scale, drawing boxes to discuss implemenations works much better than throw away code. It is also a great way to document existing architectures.
pjmlp 10mo ago
On the contrary, UML is quite useful in enterprise architecture, and I am yet to find an alternative that isn't much worse. It is like the YAML junk that gets pushed nowadays in detriment of proper schemas, and validation tools we have in XML.
- mkoubaa 10mo ago
  Hard disagree. The code is the spec. The code is the spec. The code is the spec.
  - pjmlp 10mo ago
    Yeah, that is why the code always meets user expectations.
    - mkoubaa 10mo ago
      User expectations are not the spec, they are what the spec aspires to.
      - pjmlp 10mo ago
        Yeah, if only developers had bothered to validate the spec before diving straight into coding.

heap_perms 10mo ago

I completed a CS degree just a year ago, and they absolutely wrecked us with UML. I’m still recovering mentally.

goalieca 10mo ago
UML used to be a staple of job interviews.
- forgetfulness 10mo ago
  It was going to be the future of Software Engineering in the 2000s, Software Architects laying out boxes for Software Bricklayers to implement as dictated, code generation tools were going to make programming trivial. For trivial CRUD apps, and maintaining modified versions of the generated code was a nightmare.
  - goalieca 10mo ago
    This AI hype cycle reminds me of that era.
  - pjmlp 10mo ago
    I was drawing UML before Christmas vacations, when one works at scale, drawing boxes to discuss implemenations works much better than throw away code. It is also a great way to document existing architectures.

pjmlp 10mo ago

On the contrary, UML is quite useful in enterprise architecture, and I am yet to find an alternative that isn't much worse. It is like the YAML junk that gets pushed nowadays in detriment of proper schemas, and validation tools we have in XML.

mkoubaa 10mo ago
Hard disagree. The code is the spec. The code is the spec. The code is the spec.
- pjmlp 10mo ago
  Yeah, that is why the code always meets user expectations.
  - mkoubaa 10mo ago
    User expectations are not the spec, they are what the spec aspires to.
    - pjmlp 10mo ago
      Yeah, if only developers had bothered to validate the spec before diving straight into coding.