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"You're the one who's provided zero evidence that the Del key is used with any appreciable frequency at all." I never said it was. You're the one who pompously

"You're the one who's provided zero evidence that the Del key is used with any appreciable frequency at all." I never said it was. You're the one who pompously declared the opposite. I merely pointed out an easily-verifiable fact: Apple neglects to provide it. But since you've exposed yourself to statistics-based ridicule now, I'll lazily rely on Google's so-called "AI"-based indictment of your absurd position: "Apple's global PC market share generally hovers around 8% to 10%" This indicates that 90% of the world's computer-using population apparently DOES find Delete to be a compellingly distinct function from Backspace, and sees fit to include a dedicated key for it on its keyboards. So you can continue to protest and cry about the harmless inclusion of a useful key that doesn't impede YOUR mode of operation at all, while the vast majority of the computer-using world demonstrates its disagreement with you by including it.

crazygringo 10mo ago
How about you lay off the insulting language like "pompous" and "ridicule" and "protest and cry"? It's completely inappropriate for HN, and demonstrates a severe lack of maturity on your part. I think you can be better than that. Maybe re-read: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html I don't know what you're bringing up market share for. The idea that most people buy non-Apple because it has a DEL key is not plausible. Like INS, it's a vestigial key maintained mainly for backwards compatibilty with legacy enterprise software used by a tiny minority of businesses. Not for everyday use by normal users. Now, you started this conversation by complaining about the lack of a DEL key, yet you're the one going on about how I'm continuing to "protest and cry"? Honestly, you might need to look in the mirror there. You're the one asking for a feature almost nobody uses, and all I'm doing is pointing that out. It's much better to respond to disagreement in a productive way by engaging in substance, not defensively by hurling insults. To reiterate: no, it shouldn't be included on Macs because it's completely and utterly unnecessary. If you need Del functionality, just use the Fn modifier. That's what it's there for. And it's more ergonomic, as established.
- VerifiedReports 10mo ago
  "I don't know what you're bringing up market share for." Says the guy who declared, without evidence, that "Not many people use forward-deleting." And who, after complaining about my digging-up of statistics, doubles down by crowing about "a feature almost nobody uses," again without any evidence. See, when rebutting an argument, you gain credibility if you at least make an effort to back up your assertion with facts. It's a fun and useful exercise, because everybody learns something... if they're willing to. Meanwhile, your comments provide an amusing clinic on hypocrisy.
  - crazygringo 10mo ago
    > Meanwhile, your comments provide an amusing clinic on hypocrisy. Have you not noticed that you're also providing zero facts? Again, I suggest you look in the mirror. Do you somehow think that when you make a claim you don't need facts, but when people disagree with you they do...? There aren't any actual studies on rates of usage of the DEL key. So I don't know what you're expecting. I suggest, in the future, that you don't apply such double standards, where you demand empirical evidence from everyone else, but neglect to give any yourself. It's not a good look, and you aren't going to gain much respect doing it. Hopefully you can learn from this exchange and be better than that in the future. Good luck.
    - VerifiedReports 10mo ago
      Except of course that I didn't make any claim requiring statistics, while you did. And yet... I'm the one who DID supply statistics, which you ignore in your maniacal histrionics. Have fun!
      - crazygringo 10mo ago
        > Except of course that I didn't make any claim requiring statistics, while you did. You're criticizing Apple for not having a Del key. Presumably this is based on the idea that people mostly want a Del key. Which would need to be based on statistics, just as much as my claim that they mostly don't. The only alternative would be if you thought Apple's "infantile refusal to put a (real) Delete key on their laptops" was their refusal to cater you just you personally. I'm assuming you're not that much of a narcissist? > And yet... I'm the one who DID supply statistics, which you ignore... I didn't ignore anything. I already responded directly to what you said about market share, and explained how it's irrelevant and why. Irrelevant numbers aren't any better than no numbers at all. > ...in your maniacal histrionics. Perhaps you don't just need to read the HN guidelines again, but bookmark them and re-read before each comment you post. Also maybe check the dictionary, since you don't seem to know what those words mean? They don't just mean someone who disagrees with you.

crazygringo 10mo ago

How about you lay off the insulting language like "pompous" and "ridicule" and "protest and cry"? It's completely inappropriate for HN, and demonstrates a severe lack of maturity on your part. I think you can be better than that. Maybe re-read: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html I don't know what you're bringing up market share for. The idea that most people buy non-Apple because it has a DEL key is not plausible. Like INS, it's a vestigial key maintained mainly for backwards compatibilty with legacy enterprise software used by a tiny minority of businesses. Not for everyday use by normal users. Now, you started this conversation by complaining about the lack of a DEL key, yet you're the one going on about how I'm continuing to "protest and cry"? Honestly, you might need to look in the mirror there. You're the one asking for a feature almost nobody uses, and all I'm doing is pointing that out. It's much better to respond to disagreement in a productive way by engaging in substance, not defensively by hurling insults. To reiterate: no, it shouldn't be included on Macs because it's completely and utterly unnecessary. If you need Del functionality, just use the Fn modifier. That's what it's there for. And it's more ergonomic, as established.

VerifiedReports 10mo ago
"I don't know what you're bringing up market share for." Says the guy who declared, without evidence, that "Not many people use forward-deleting." And who, after complaining about my digging-up of statistics, doubles down by crowing about "a feature almost nobody uses," again without any evidence. See, when rebutting an argument, you gain credibility if you at least make an effort to back up your assertion with facts. It's a fun and useful exercise, because everybody learns something... if they're willing to. Meanwhile, your comments provide an amusing clinic on hypocrisy.
- crazygringo 10mo ago
  > Meanwhile, your comments provide an amusing clinic on hypocrisy. Have you not noticed that you're also providing zero facts? Again, I suggest you look in the mirror. Do you somehow think that when you make a claim you don't need facts, but when people disagree with you they do...? There aren't any actual studies on rates of usage of the DEL key. So I don't know what you're expecting. I suggest, in the future, that you don't apply such double standards, where you demand empirical evidence from everyone else, but neglect to give any yourself. It's not a good look, and you aren't going to gain much respect doing it. Hopefully you can learn from this exchange and be better than that in the future. Good luck.
  - VerifiedReports 10mo ago
    Except of course that I didn't make any claim requiring statistics, while you did. And yet... I'm the one who DID supply statistics, which you ignore in your maniacal histrionics. Have fun!
    - crazygringo 10mo ago
      > Except of course that I didn't make any claim requiring statistics, while you did. You're criticizing Apple for not having a Del key. Presumably this is based on the idea that people mostly want a Del key. Which would need to be based on statistics, just as much as my claim that they mostly don't. The only alternative would be if you thought Apple's "infantile refusal to put a (real) Delete key on their laptops" was their refusal to cater you just you personally. I'm assuming you're not that much of a narcissist? > And yet... I'm the one who DID supply statistics, which you ignore... I didn't ignore anything. I already responded directly to what you said about market share, and explained how it's irrelevant and why. Irrelevant numbers aren't any better than no numbers at all. > ...in your maniacal histrionics. Perhaps you don't just need to read the HN guidelines again, but bookmark them and re-read before each comment you post. Also maybe check the dictionary, since you don't seem to know what those words mean? They don't just mean someone who disagrees with you.