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<https://www.muellershewrote.com/p/watch-the-60-minutes-cecot-segment https://www.muellershewrote.com/p/watch-the-60-minutes-cecot...> This is disgraceful [0],

<https://www.muellershewrote.com/p/watch-the-60-minutes-cecot-segment https://www.muellershewrote.com/p/watch-the-60-minutes-cecot...> This is disgraceful [0], whatever your opinion on illegal immigration. [0] deporting non-citizens to 3rd-party countries/prisons

throw0101c 10mo ago
> [0] deporting non-citizens to 3rd-party countries/prisons See perhaps United States Declaration of Independence: > "For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offenses:" * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grievances_of_the_United_States_Declaration_of_Independence#Grievance_19 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grievances_of_the_United_State...
- saagarjha 10mo ago
  Ah, but you see, they're not us. They're them.
- dzdt 10mo ago
  In this case there wasn't even any trial, here or abroad. Just sent to the torture gulag with zero process whatsoever. So its even worse than that.
  - throw0101c 10mo ago
    > In this case there wasn't even any trial, here or abroad. Above is #19; see #18: > "For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Jury trial:" * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grievances_of_the_United_States_Declaration_of_Independence#Grievance_18 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grievances_of_the_United_State...
justin66 10mo ago
Even calling it "deportation" is far too charitable towards what they've done. Deportation involves sending them back to their home countries or, if that's unsafe, to another country. These people were rendered to a prison where they're meant to spend the rest of their lives, without any of the due process even a foreigner who had committed a crime would normally be accorded in the United States under our constitution.
- estearum 10mo ago
  Great point and I'll add, by "would normally be accorded" you of course mean "is legally entitled to by our nation's foundational document."
- ndsipa_pomu 10mo ago
  Just to clarify - a prison without due process is more accurately called a "concentration camp". "Prison" is for people convicted of crimes.
- PlanksVariable 10mo ago
  > These people were rendered to a prison where they're meant to spend the rest of their lives These men were never intended to spend the rest of their lives at CECOT, nor did they. All were released in July 2025 to their home country of Venezuela, and they were in El Salvador for a total of 125 days.
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  - justin66 10mo ago
    > These men were never intended to spend the rest of their lives at CECOT Kristi Noem indicated publicly that they should stay there "the rest of their lives." > nor did they. All were released in July 2025 to their home country of Venezuela, and they were in El Salvador for a total of 125 days. No kidding. Things did not play out that way because the intention was just for a few months of torture for those people before they'd eventually be deported to Venezuela anyway, it was because of the legal and political uproar over what had been done.
PlanksVariable 10mo ago
That seems like the least disgraceful part of the whole thing. Wherever they go, the U.S. taxpayers are stuck footing the bill for their prison stay, food, medical treatment, etc., but why would it need to be in the United States? They have no claim to stay there. The disgraceful part is sending illegal immigrants without criminal history to maximum-security prisons, sending asylum seekers to prison, or sending anybody to prisons that torture the inmates.

throw0101c 10mo ago

> [0] deporting non-citizens to 3rd-party countries/prisons See perhaps United States Declaration of Independence: > "For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offenses:" * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grievances_of_the_United_States_Declaration_of_Independence#Grievance_19 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grievances_of_the_United_State...

saagarjha 10mo ago
Ah, but you see, they're not us. They're them.
dzdt 10mo ago
In this case there wasn't even any trial, here or abroad. Just sent to the torture gulag with zero process whatsoever. So its even worse than that.
- throw0101c 10mo ago
  > In this case there wasn't even any trial, here or abroad. Above is #19; see #18: > "For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Jury trial:" * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grievances_of_the_United_States_Declaration_of_Independence#Grievance_18 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grievances_of_the_United_State...

justin66 10mo ago

Even calling it "deportation" is far too charitable towards what they've done. Deportation involves sending them back to their home countries or, if that's unsafe, to another country. These people were rendered to a prison where they're meant to spend the rest of their lives, without any of the due process even a foreigner who had committed a crime would normally be accorded in the United States under our constitution.

estearum 10mo ago
Great point and I'll add, by "would normally be accorded" you of course mean "is legally entitled to by our nation's foundational document."
ndsipa_pomu 10mo ago
Just to clarify - a prison without due process is more accurately called a "concentration camp". "Prison" is for people convicted of crimes.
PlanksVariable 10mo ago
> These people were rendered to a prison where they're meant to spend the rest of their lives These men were never intended to spend the rest of their lives at CECOT, nor did they. All were released in July 2025 to their home country of Venezuela, and they were in El Salvador for a total of 125 days.
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- justin66 10mo ago
  > These men were never intended to spend the rest of their lives at CECOT Kristi Noem indicated publicly that they should stay there "the rest of their lives." > nor did they. All were released in July 2025 to their home country of Venezuela, and they were in El Salvador for a total of 125 days. No kidding. Things did not play out that way because the intention was just for a few months of torture for those people before they'd eventually be deported to Venezuela anyway, it was because of the legal and political uproar over what had been done.

PlanksVariable 10mo ago

That seems like the least disgraceful part of the whole thing. Wherever they go, the U.S. taxpayers are stuck footing the bill for their prison stay, food, medical treatment, etc., but why would it need to be in the United States? They have no claim to stay there. The disgraceful part is sending illegal immigrants without criminal history to maximum-security prisons, sending asylum seekers to prison, or sending anybody to prisons that torture the inmates.