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California's average residential electricity rate is almost twice the US average (32 cents vs 18 cents) despite being in a state with abundant energy resources.

by benced 10mo ago

California's average residential electricity rate is almost twice the US average (32 cents vs 18 cents) despite being in a state with abundant energy resources. Even if advocates got everything they wanted here (6% margin vs 10% margin), that would lower rates by... 1.2 cents. PG&E desperately needs to be reformed into a competent organization, something that nobody in (Newsom) or adjacent to (these advocates) power in California seems to want to do. https://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.php?t=epmt_5_6_a https://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.ph...

nebula8804 10mo ago
I guess we will have a total whitewashing effort for Newsom coming up in 2028. Same nonsense as Kamala. Its funny how we can now predict the controversies.
- twoodfin 10mo ago
  The redirect on the French Laundry thing is going to be epic.
  - kyboren 10mo ago
    It is, but you're really talking about the same thing: Gavin Newsom is corrupt and comfortably ensconced within the investor-owned utilities' pocket. Recall that it was so important for Newsom to attend that dinner at the height of COVID because it was Jason Kinney's 50th birthday party, a PG&E lobbyist and close advisor to Newsom.
  - nebula8804 10mo ago
    Ha! I totally forgot about that! The only saving grace is that in 2028 new media will have increased even further than in 2024 and it already played a significant role in that election. It will be interesting to see the tactics used to bury things like the French Laundry moment because the opponents have been learning all the tricks that the Democrats like to use and plan for them.
autoexec 10mo ago
I can only assume that they've been bribed not to reform PG&E. The real question becomes who is running for office that isn't willing to take bribes so that people who are willing can be voted out of office. If the answer is nobody, than nothing will ever change.
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refurb 10mo ago
Indeed. The CA Governor is the one who selects the people on the committee that regulate PG&E. And the same committee approves PG&E’s budget and rate each year, all the way down to the fine details such as repairing an electrical fence at a substation. This problem is entirely under the control of Newsom and the CA legislature yet they seem completely uninterested in fixing it.
- kyboren 10mo ago
  > This problem is entirely under the control of Newsom and the CA legislature yet they seem completely uninterested in fixing it. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" - Upton Sinclair, I, Candidate for Governor: And How I Got Licked (1935) Ironically that quote came from a book about Sinclair's failed bid to win the CA governorship...
- kelnos 10mo ago
  PG&E are big campaign contributors to Newsom; he is expressly interested in not fixing it. It's amazing that we had a governor recalled 20 years ago in no small part due to utility-related scandals, but these days, being a public servant in their pocket is just business as usual.
  - twoodfin 10mo ago
    I’m whatever the opposite is of a devoted fan of Newsom, but I think describing the cause of this aggregate mess as PG&E buying politicians is well off the mark. The problem is that PG&E is just one player in a system built up over decades. The system is built on the wrong set of premises, continues to evolve based on those premises, and can only be fixed by rejecting those premises. This is becoming increasingly obvious, and a politician like Newsom is too smart to tie himself to the mast of a sinking ship.
- amypetrik8 10mo ago
  I think back to every ... overly enthused student council member or student council president or HOA president I've seen in my education, a microcosm of politics. These are people with a fire inside of them to seize these positions. Speaking with them, as they were my representative to the academic leadership, they would often hear my request and provide a explanation as to why that was not feasible. A naive assessment of their explanation - often at face value reasonable in the most simplistic of ways, a slightly deeper reflection would reveal it was a convenient excuse for the truth - they had a completely different motivation, usually self-interest in nature, but hidden behind the lie to hide the ugly truth. The same is much true of California. So many strict laws and regulation. For the environment? For safety? Why I can't build a house? No, no - they don't want anyone building houses to keep the prices pumped up high. Same for many things. Keep PG&E rich, and PG&E will keep the people in power rich either directly or through the major supporters of said politicians
fulafel 10mo ago
Fossil produced electricity is unsustainably cheap. According to https://lowcarbonpower.org/region/California https://lowcarbonpower.org/region/California only half of electricity is low-carbon there. It's imperative to ramp down fossils use and production to mitigate the climate disaster so we can't afford to believe there's "abundant energy resources" in a situation like this.
- benced 10mo ago
  I was counting solar and offshore wind as abundant energy resources. Also, nuclear, though that’s not state specific.

by benced 10mo ago

nebula8804 10mo ago

I guess we will have a total whitewashing effort for Newsom coming up in 2028. Same nonsense as Kamala. Its funny how we can now predict the controversies.

twoodfin 10mo ago
The redirect on the French Laundry thing is going to be epic.
- kyboren 10mo ago
  It is, but you're really talking about the same thing: Gavin Newsom is corrupt and comfortably ensconced within the investor-owned utilities' pocket. Recall that it was so important for Newsom to attend that dinner at the height of COVID because it was Jason Kinney's 50th birthday party, a PG&E lobbyist and close advisor to Newsom.
- nebula8804 10mo ago
  Ha! I totally forgot about that! The only saving grace is that in 2028 new media will have increased even further than in 2024 and it already played a significant role in that election. It will be interesting to see the tactics used to bury things like the French Laundry moment because the opponents have been learning all the tricks that the Democrats like to use and plan for them.

autoexec 10mo ago

I can only assume that they've been bribed not to reform PG&E. The real question becomes who is running for office that isn't willing to take bribes so that people who are willing can be voted out of office. If the answer is nobody, than nothing will ever change.

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refurb 10mo ago

Indeed. The CA Governor is the one who selects the people on the committee that regulate PG&E. And the same committee approves PG&E’s budget and rate each year, all the way down to the fine details such as repairing an electrical fence at a substation. This problem is entirely under the control of Newsom and the CA legislature yet they seem completely uninterested in fixing it.

kyboren 10mo ago
> This problem is entirely under the control of Newsom and the CA legislature yet they seem completely uninterested in fixing it. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" - Upton Sinclair, I, Candidate for Governor: And How I Got Licked (1935) Ironically that quote came from a book about Sinclair's failed bid to win the CA governorship...
kelnos 10mo ago
PG&E are big campaign contributors to Newsom; he is expressly interested in not fixing it. It's amazing that we had a governor recalled 20 years ago in no small part due to utility-related scandals, but these days, being a public servant in their pocket is just business as usual.
- twoodfin 10mo ago
  I’m whatever the opposite is of a devoted fan of Newsom, but I think describing the cause of this aggregate mess as PG&E buying politicians is well off the mark. The problem is that PG&E is just one player in a system built up over decades. The system is built on the wrong set of premises, continues to evolve based on those premises, and can only be fixed by rejecting those premises. This is becoming increasingly obvious, and a politician like Newsom is too smart to tie himself to the mast of a sinking ship.
amypetrik8 10mo ago
I think back to every ... overly enthused student council member or student council president or HOA president I've seen in my education, a microcosm of politics. These are people with a fire inside of them to seize these positions. Speaking with them, as they were my representative to the academic leadership, they would often hear my request and provide a explanation as to why that was not feasible. A naive assessment of their explanation - often at face value reasonable in the most simplistic of ways, a slightly deeper reflection would reveal it was a convenient excuse for the truth - they had a completely different motivation, usually self-interest in nature, but hidden behind the lie to hide the ugly truth. The same is much true of California. So many strict laws and regulation. For the environment? For safety? Why I can't build a house? No, no - they don't want anyone building houses to keep the prices pumped up high. Same for many things. Keep PG&E rich, and PG&E will keep the people in power rich either directly or through the major supporters of said politicians

fulafel 10mo ago

Fossil produced electricity is unsustainably cheap. According to https://lowcarbonpower.org/region/California https://lowcarbonpower.org/region/California only half of electricity is low-carbon there. It's imperative to ramp down fossils use and production to mitigate the climate disaster so we can't afford to believe there's "abundant energy resources" in a situation like this.

benced 10mo ago
I was counting solar and offshore wind as abundant energy resources. Also, nuclear, though that’s not state specific.