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I find it so weird that people are so bullish on the CLI form factor when they are literally just adding functionality that IDE based agents get for free. Stuff

I find it so weird that people are so bullish on the CLI form factor when they are literally just adding functionality that IDE based agents get for free. Stuff like improved diff tools and LSP support in the terminal instead of idk... just using a GUI/IDE? Pretty sure Cursor has had this for a while.

nextaccountic 10mo ago
What IDE agent gets access to LSP? I use Zed and unless there is some MCP server that provides the same thing as the LSP server, the Zed agent won't have access, even though it's in an IDE that supposedly has this information
- anthonypasq 10mo ago
  cursor
- joshuacc 10mo ago
  Cursor, Copilot, Roo Code, Cline, among others.
  - nextaccountic 10mo ago
    Hi, I just looked up and two weeks ago someone made this suggestion in Cursor forum https://forum.cursor.com/t/support-of-lsp-language-server-protocol/145628 https://forum.cursor.com/t/support-of-lsp-language-server-pr... > Feature request for product/service > > Cursor IDE > > Describe the request > > It would be a huge step up if agent could interact with LSP (Language Server Protocol). > > It would offer : > > renaming all instances of a symbol over all files in one action > quick navigation through code : fast find of all references to a property or method > organize imports, format code, etc… And last Friday a Cursor engineer replied "Thanks for the idea!" So how does the AI agent in Cursor currently have access to LSP? (I am most interested in having the agent use LSP for type checking, documentation of a method call, etc. rather than running slower commands) (note, there is an open PR for Zed to pull LSP diagnostics into an AI agent thread https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/pull/42270 https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/pull/42270 but it would be better if agents could make arbitrary LSP queries or something like that)
    - sirsau 10mo ago
      Cursor Agent can get diagnostics as far as I'm aware. Using LSP for renaming and stuff like that, I haven't seen yet.
      - nextaccountic 10mo ago
        Oh ok, thanks. It would be so cool if LLMs could get the type of a variable when it's unclear (specially in languages with overloading and whatnot). Or could get autocomplete if they get stuck with a code. Really I think that agents and LSP should be hybrid, and maybe the agent could inform the LSP server of some things like things to warn (IDE diagnostics could be driven by a combination of LSP and AI agents)
ramoz 10mo ago
I just saw a video of non-technical person describing how they use claude code to automate various workflows. They actually tried vscode and then the desktop gui. Yet they preferred the CLI because it felt "more natural" With agents, and Claude Code, we are *orchestrating* ... this is an unresolved UI/UX in industry. The same reasons `kubectl` didn't evolve to GUI probably apply here. It's less about the codebase, more about the ability to conduct anything on the computer - you are closest to that in the terminal. https://backnotprop.com/blog/its-on-your-computer/ https://backnotprop.com/blog/its-on-your-computer/
- scottyah 10mo ago
  There are plenty of GUIs for managing kubernetes, from k9s to redhat's Openshift gui, rancher, Lens, etc
  - ramoz 10mo ago
    big reach
- JamesSwift 10mo ago
  Curious if you have a link to that video. Im trying to bridge the gap of claude code to non technical users and am trying to consume all prior art.
  - ramoz 10mo ago
    This is also what I’ve been doing. I can’t find the exact video but this is another good example: https://www.tiktok.com/@thinkwithv/video/7580186972208024863 https://www.tiktok.com/@thinkwithv/video/7580186972208024863 The comments are usually insightful. Even in that video the terminal ui is brought up and she mentions her preference.
BeetleB 10mo ago
For many of us, the plus of the CLI form factor is it doesn't tie us to a particular IDE.
bakies 10mo ago
Well my editor is in the terminal, so is my chatbot. I dont really want to change to an IDE to use a desktop app and a chatbot that both have half-baked UIs trying to complement each other.
zingar 10mo ago
IDEs have LSP support because they have a plugin that connects to an LSP server. The plugin is a very small piece of code compared to the language server. Creating a new client is not reinventing the wheel. In fact the entire philosophy of LSP is: one server to many different clients. CLIs can also have a small piece of code that connects to an LSP server. I don’t see why IDEs should be the sole beneficiary of LSP just because they were the first clients imagined by the LSP creators.
blitz_skull 10mo ago
I have not yet had an IDE-based agent give anything close to the CLI Claude Code experience. So until it manages to do that, I’ll keep being bullish on what works.
- Jgrubb 10mo ago
  Including the Claude Code v2 experience in VSCode. Thank you, whoever added the setting to revert back to the terminal experience.
- dustypotato 10mo ago
  Google Antigravity is pretty much close to Claude Code imo
- anthonypasq 10mo ago
  nothing about that is because its a cli app

nextaccountic 10mo ago

What IDE agent gets access to LSP? I use Zed and unless there is some MCP server that provides the same thing as the LSP server, the Zed agent won't have access, even though it's in an IDE that supposedly has this information

anthonypasq 10mo ago
cursor
joshuacc 10mo ago
Cursor, Copilot, Roo Code, Cline, among others.
- nextaccountic 10mo ago
  Hi, I just looked up and two weeks ago someone made this suggestion in Cursor forum https://forum.cursor.com/t/support-of-lsp-language-server-protocol/145628 https://forum.cursor.com/t/support-of-lsp-language-server-pr... > Feature request for product/service > > Cursor IDE > > Describe the request > > It would be a huge step up if agent could interact with LSP (Language Server Protocol). > > It would offer : > > renaming all instances of a symbol over all files in one action > quick navigation through code : fast find of all references to a property or method > organize imports, format code, etc… And last Friday a Cursor engineer replied "Thanks for the idea!" So how does the AI agent in Cursor currently have access to LSP? (I am most interested in having the agent use LSP for type checking, documentation of a method call, etc. rather than running slower commands) (note, there is an open PR for Zed to pull LSP diagnostics into an AI agent thread https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/pull/42270 https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/pull/42270 but it would be better if agents could make arbitrary LSP queries or something like that)
  - sirsau 10mo ago
    Cursor Agent can get diagnostics as far as I'm aware. Using LSP for renaming and stuff like that, I haven't seen yet.
    - nextaccountic 10mo ago
      Oh ok, thanks. It would be so cool if LLMs could get the type of a variable when it's unclear (specially in languages with overloading and whatnot). Or could get autocomplete if they get stuck with a code. Really I think that agents and LSP should be hybrid, and maybe the agent could inform the LSP server of some things like things to warn (IDE diagnostics could be driven by a combination of LSP and AI agents)

ramoz 10mo ago

I just saw a video of non-technical person describing how they use claude code to automate various workflows. They actually tried vscode and then the desktop gui. Yet they preferred the CLI because it felt "more natural" With agents, and Claude Code, we are *orchestrating* ... this is an unresolved UI/UX in industry. The same reasons `kubectl` didn't evolve to GUI probably apply here. It's less about the codebase, more about the ability to conduct anything on the computer - you are closest to that in the terminal. https://backnotprop.com/blog/its-on-your-computer/ https://backnotprop.com/blog/its-on-your-computer/

scottyah 10mo ago
There are plenty of GUIs for managing kubernetes, from k9s to redhat's Openshift gui, rancher, Lens, etc
- ramoz 10mo ago
  big reach
JamesSwift 10mo ago
Curious if you have a link to that video. Im trying to bridge the gap of claude code to non technical users and am trying to consume all prior art.
- ramoz 10mo ago
  This is also what I’ve been doing. I can’t find the exact video but this is another good example: https://www.tiktok.com/@thinkwithv/video/7580186972208024863 https://www.tiktok.com/@thinkwithv/video/7580186972208024863 The comments are usually insightful. Even in that video the terminal ui is brought up and she mentions her preference.

BeetleB 10mo ago

For many of us, the plus of the CLI form factor is it doesn't tie us to a particular IDE.

bakies 10mo ago

Well my editor is in the terminal, so is my chatbot. I dont really want to change to an IDE to use a desktop app and a chatbot that both have half-baked UIs trying to complement each other.

zingar 10mo ago

IDEs have LSP support because they have a plugin that connects to an LSP server. The plugin is a very small piece of code compared to the language server. Creating a new client is not reinventing the wheel. In fact the entire philosophy of LSP is: one server to many different clients. CLIs can also have a small piece of code that connects to an LSP server. I don’t see why IDEs should be the sole beneficiary of LSP just because they were the first clients imagined by the LSP creators.

blitz_skull 10mo ago

I have not yet had an IDE-based agent give anything close to the CLI Claude Code experience. So until it manages to do that, I’ll keep being bullish on what works.

Jgrubb 10mo ago
Including the Claude Code v2 experience in VSCode. Thank you, whoever added the setting to revert back to the terminal experience.
dustypotato 10mo ago
Google Antigravity is pretty much close to Claude Code imo
anthonypasq 10mo ago
nothing about that is because its a cli app