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> I wish Spotify welcomed or collaborated with these archival initiatives. Spotify licenses the music in their library under specific terms. They don't own it.

by Aurornis 11mo ago

> I wish Spotify welcomed or collaborated with these archival initiatives. Spotify licenses the music in their library under specific terms. They don't own it. They can't just decide to give out freely on their own terms. > Anna's Archive does not compete with Spotify in any way. I think HN often underestimates the breadth of casual piracy among the general public who want to avoid paying $10/month for a service. There are already numerous tools to stream TV shows and movies from torrents on demand. I have no doubt the same will appear for a giant archive of Spotify music. A lot of people will jump at any chance to cancel their Spotify subscription if they can get close to the same access for free.

firloop 11mo ago
I doubt such a tool would be allowed in the major mobile app stores. The library of music isn't the product.
- ragazzina 11mo ago
  Stremio is on the App Store and can be used with a debrid service.
vablings 11mo ago
Fuck those licensing terms. They are the exact reason I cant make a Soundcloud notification bot for discord that is within the rules of the ToS. I sent them an email asking for an API key and basically got told no, license holders rule our world.
FireBeyond 11mo ago
They're all for the rules, now. How many people remember how Spotify... uhhh... "seeded" its music database at the start? (There's a hint in my question.)
- geraldmcboing 11mo ago
  also: "Musicians might note that 87% of tracks will now receive the same payment from Anna’s Archive as they do from Spotify: zero." https://dadadrummer.substack.com/p/anti-copyright-extremists https://dadadrummer.substack.com/p/anti-copyright-extremists
  - FireBeyond 11mo ago
    I really despise Spotify's payout algorithm too, since you mention it. For the longest time I was a big Tidal fan. Still am. But I feel their financials show writing on the wall for their future. But one of the reasons for that appreciation on my part was that they 1) paid a lot more, per stream, to artists (sometimes, 8-10x more than Spotify's nominal purported royalties), and 2) they didn't have an algorithm for payout that heavily favored the 800lb artists in the room over the smaller, struggling acts.

firloop 11mo ago

I doubt such a tool would be allowed in the major mobile app stores. The library of music isn't the product.

ragazzina 11mo ago
Stremio is on the App Store and can be used with a debrid service.

vablings 11mo ago

Fuck those licensing terms. They are the exact reason I cant make a Soundcloud notification bot for discord that is within the rules of the ToS. I sent them an email asking for an API key and basically got told no, license holders rule our world.

FireBeyond 11mo ago

They're all for the rules, now. How many people remember how Spotify... uhhh... "seeded" its music database at the start? (There's a hint in my question.)

geraldmcboing 11mo ago
also: "Musicians might note that 87% of tracks will now receive the same payment from Anna’s Archive as they do from Spotify: zero." https://dadadrummer.substack.com/p/anti-copyright-extremists https://dadadrummer.substack.com/p/anti-copyright-extremists
- FireBeyond 11mo ago
  I really despise Spotify's payout algorithm too, since you mention it. For the longest time I was a big Tidal fan. Still am. But I feel their financials show writing on the wall for their future. But one of the reasons for that appreciation on my part was that they 1) paid a lot more, per stream, to artists (sometimes, 8-10x more than Spotify's nominal purported royalties), and 2) they didn't have an algorithm for payout that heavily favored the 800lb artists in the room over the smaller, struggling acts.