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> If I draw a naked stick figure with boobs and say it is 14, is that morally wrong? At what point should a person care? No and I'm sure every judge in Britain

> If I draw a naked stick figure with boobs and say it is 14, is that morally wrong? At what point should a person care? No and I'm sure every judge in Britain would throw that case out. > Their point is that a drawing doesn't hurt people right? It can in certain circumstances encourage a market or normalise abusive behaviour.

FpUser 10mo ago
>"It can in certain circumstances encourage..." Anything can be bad in "certain circumstances". They should go get busy with some real crime.
- AlecSchueler 10mo ago
  > Anything can be bad in "certain circumstances" Can it? In the same way? It feels like your argument comes down to handwaving. Circumstantial law is hardly a novel thing.
  - ImPostingOnHN 10mo ago
    > Can it? In the same way? It feels like your argument comes down to handwaving. Circumstantial law is hardly a novel thing. I think that was their point: your argument seems handwavey, because anything can be bad "in certain circumstances". Hold the door for someone? Seems nice. But you could be insulting them by doing so. Or letting a virus in by having the door open too long. Or wasting energy and contributing to climate change by letting the conditioned air out. Indeed, under certain circumstances, it's bad.
    - AlecSchueler 10mo ago
      Sure, many things can be "bad" if you are happy to go with increasingly absurd reasoning, but I Think that's quite an unfair misrepresentation of both what I said above and of the arguments that were raised in parliament before this law was introduced. Insulting someone by holding a door open might be "bad" but could you really argue for legislating against it? Bringing in the word bad moves the goalposts quite a bit in order to frame the original position as equally limp and absurd.
bregma 10mo ago
> It can in certain circumstances encourage a market or normalise abusive behaviour. Just like the printed word. Books should be banned and burned. We should start with Orwell since his writing has been used as a manual for so much abusive behaviour.
- AlecSchueler 10mo ago
  Hate speech is also illegal in the UK, yes.

FpUser 10mo ago

>"It can in certain circumstances encourage..." Anything can be bad in "certain circumstances". They should go get busy with some real crime.

AlecSchueler 10mo ago
> Anything can be bad in "certain circumstances" Can it? In the same way? It feels like your argument comes down to handwaving. Circumstantial law is hardly a novel thing.
- ImPostingOnHN 10mo ago
  > Can it? In the same way? It feels like your argument comes down to handwaving. Circumstantial law is hardly a novel thing. I think that was their point: your argument seems handwavey, because anything can be bad "in certain circumstances". Hold the door for someone? Seems nice. But you could be insulting them by doing so. Or letting a virus in by having the door open too long. Or wasting energy and contributing to climate change by letting the conditioned air out. Indeed, under certain circumstances, it's bad.
  - AlecSchueler 10mo ago
    Sure, many things can be "bad" if you are happy to go with increasingly absurd reasoning, but I Think that's quite an unfair misrepresentation of both what I said above and of the arguments that were raised in parliament before this law was introduced. Insulting someone by holding a door open might be "bad" but could you really argue for legislating against it? Bringing in the word bad moves the goalposts quite a bit in order to frame the original position as equally limp and absurd.

bregma 10mo ago

> It can in certain circumstances encourage a market or normalise abusive behaviour. Just like the printed word. Books should be banned and burned. We should start with Orwell since his writing has been used as a manual for so much abusive behaviour.

AlecSchueler 10mo ago
Hate speech is also illegal in the UK, yes.