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Yeah I saw that post and was going to try to kick off the thread from that very stub. I do feel the urgency, so a thorough read is warranted. Thoughts after t

Yeah I saw that post and was going to try to kick off the thread from that very stub. I do feel the urgency, so a thorough read is warranted. Thoughts after the first pass, though, "rationalism fails because humans learn that fast-think responses are better for dealing with chaos", what's your succinct summary of the "crisis of object relations" Instead of relying on real science, magic has become the sole foundation of expertise for the technocratic elite and the professional managerial caste—culminating in the legendary powers of the High Mages of the Central Bank, the Priesthood of Think Tanks and the Sacred Policy Institutes. There's this sock-puppet on HN who I might have otherwise written off as a conservative but the way he writes is stimulating so he seems to be just one of these technocratic elite according to the above (albeit I credit him for the "insight") https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=chimp%20troupe&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

PaulHoule 10mo ago
"object relations" is the ability to express love. In higher ed we are already facing a crisis because people slowed down having kids 20 years ago. The hysterical right is talking about the crisis, the left cares about the welfare state which needs working-age people to fund it but it still fantasizes that billionaires can pay for it all without the recognition that billionaires need working-age people and an expanding economy to be billionaires. Young men immediately around me are desperately struggling in various ways, which makes the problem intensely personal to me. 20-30 years from now though the hysterical right will seem prophetic, but for now the responsible right and the literate left share in the "individual uber alles" ideology that problematizes everything.
- gsf_emergency_6 10mo ago
  Thanks. I felt the tears welling up... There's a take that revolutions only happen right after things get slightly better, like spring for the suicidal. (Have been trying to link "individual uber alles" to the macro-nihilistic core of liberalism but nothing has been clicking, including https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46346958 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46346958 [0]) At the risk of overgeneralizing, women tend to make a healthier (more functional=better moral-injury-compensated) tradeoff between value or values. For men, the "trades" come close to women's Goldilocks zone, but "trading" (finance) will always be the devil. A man will rather be seen in the company of high-class "Trading" than be married to "the Trades". (Within the technocratic elite, VCs try to make a better tradeoff than Jane Street/RenTech etc, but the national ideology is such that followers of Warren Buffet can still accuse them of leaving value on the table. PG used to talk of "rapacious" finbros but he & Jessica doubling down on Altman is your "supply-side socialism") [0]top comment: high risk high formal value politics ("war") beat high _informal_ risk high _informal_ value building, family, community ("love"). like how Taleb only gets love (sycophancy, but not really?) from low-bros of the global South-- too much testosterone to make a healthy tradeoff.
  - aebtebeten 10mo ago
    "individual über alles" fails to account for "solidarity". As Dumas* would retort, « Tous pour un, un pour tous. » lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO5wpeYSotg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO5wpeYSotg * https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Les_Trois_Mousquetaires/Chapitre_9 https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Les_Trois_Mousquetaires/Chapi...
    - gsf_emergency_6 10mo ago
      Bizness busyness merry crismez! Here just to note that we seem indeed to be getting somewhere, (+according to Arnol'd, Varchenko discovered?/invented? mixed Hodge* structures so he could deal with oscillatory integrals. those lowly monsters that feature in many a baby phyker's trauma.. Pp12-13 https://m.mathnet.ru/php/archive.phtml?wshow=paper&jrnid=rm&paperid=7160&option_lang=eng https://m.mathnet.ru/php/archive.phtml?wshow=paper&jrnid=rm&... So, independently of Deligne, which the francophone VIA didn't want to offend? ) More later! *Hodge as the Grassmann of XXI?
      - aebtebeten 10mo ago
        Excellent! (just looking at the figures, for some reason it reminds me a bit of René Thom and catastrophe theory)
      - aebtebeten 10mo ago
        of course it reminds me of Thom; it's talking about ОСОБЕННОСТИ after all... TIL VIA's title is a shout out to [Hamilton1828] ANV isn't even Erdős-metabolically-challenged; have you been in contact? (Hodge would surely be XX, no? [nice Hodge star, though!])
        gsf_emergency_6 10mo ago
        Grassmann needed Weyl in XX. Hodge star can be ID'd as "i" on the plane some versions of Gemini have no idea of the Whitney tuck.. (Prigogine didn't put a name to the concept either?)
- i_am_a_peasant 10mo ago
  We’re all thinking it, he’s saying it.
aebtebeten 10mo ago
Chimp troupe actually does get close to my knee jerk reaction to the substack: that rationality aka the mental has always been at best only been a thin veneer on top, at least for as long as I've been part of this troupe.

PaulHoule 10mo ago

"object relations" is the ability to express love. In higher ed we are already facing a crisis because people slowed down having kids 20 years ago. The hysterical right is talking about the crisis, the left cares about the welfare state which needs working-age people to fund it but it still fantasizes that billionaires can pay for it all without the recognition that billionaires need working-age people and an expanding economy to be billionaires. Young men immediately around me are desperately struggling in various ways, which makes the problem intensely personal to me. 20-30 years from now though the hysterical right will seem prophetic, but for now the responsible right and the literate left share in the "individual uber alles" ideology that problematizes everything.

gsf_emergency_6 10mo ago
Thanks. I felt the tears welling up... There's a take that revolutions only happen right after things get slightly better, like spring for the suicidal. (Have been trying to link "individual uber alles" to the macro-nihilistic core of liberalism but nothing has been clicking, including https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46346958 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46346958 [0]) At the risk of overgeneralizing, women tend to make a healthier (more functional=better moral-injury-compensated) tradeoff between value or values. For men, the "trades" come close to women's Goldilocks zone, but "trading" (finance) will always be the devil. A man will rather be seen in the company of high-class "Trading" than be married to "the Trades". (Within the technocratic elite, VCs try to make a better tradeoff than Jane Street/RenTech etc, but the national ideology is such that followers of Warren Buffet can still accuse them of leaving value on the table. PG used to talk of "rapacious" finbros but he & Jessica doubling down on Altman is your "supply-side socialism") [0]top comment: high risk high formal value politics ("war") beat high _informal_ risk high _informal_ value building, family, community ("love"). like how Taleb only gets love (sycophancy, but not really?) from low-bros of the global South-- too much testosterone to make a healthy tradeoff.
- aebtebeten 10mo ago
  "individual über alles" fails to account for "solidarity". As Dumas* would retort, « Tous pour un, un pour tous. » lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO5wpeYSotg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO5wpeYSotg * https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Les_Trois_Mousquetaires/Chapitre_9 https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Les_Trois_Mousquetaires/Chapi...
  - gsf_emergency_6 10mo ago
    Bizness busyness merry crismez! Here just to note that we seem indeed to be getting somewhere, (+according to Arnol'd, Varchenko discovered?/invented? mixed Hodge* structures so he could deal with oscillatory integrals. those lowly monsters that feature in many a baby phyker's trauma.. Pp12-13 https://m.mathnet.ru/php/archive.phtml?wshow=paper&jrnid=rm&paperid=7160&option_lang=eng https://m.mathnet.ru/php/archive.phtml?wshow=paper&jrnid=rm&... So, independently of Deligne, which the francophone VIA didn't want to offend? ) More later! *Hodge as the Grassmann of XXI?
    - aebtebeten 10mo ago
      Excellent! (just looking at the figures, for some reason it reminds me a bit of René Thom and catastrophe theory)
    - aebtebeten 10mo ago
      of course it reminds me of Thom; it's talking about ОСОБЕННОСТИ after all... TIL VIA's title is a shout out to [Hamilton1828] ANV isn't even Erdős-metabolically-challenged; have you been in contact? (Hodge would surely be XX, no? [nice Hodge star, though!])
      - gsf_emergency_6 10mo ago
        Grassmann needed Weyl in XX. Hodge star can be ID'd as "i" on the plane some versions of Gemini have no idea of the Whitney tuck.. (Prigogine didn't put a name to the concept either?)
i_am_a_peasant 10mo ago
We’re all thinking it, he’s saying it.

aebtebeten 10mo ago

Chimp troupe actually does get close to my knee jerk reaction to the substack: that rationality aka the mental has always been at best only been a thin veneer on top, at least for as long as I've been part of this troupe.