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I was curious and searched to find more context and ... uh, no offense but what on earth have you been doing that you've been tangling with the law over CSAM fo

by habinero 10mo ago

I was curious and searched to find more context and ... uh, no offense but what on earth have you been doing that you've been tangling with the law over CSAM for at least four years?

Jigsy 10mo ago
Watching anime, looking at anime artwork, reading manga since 2006. Why else would you criminally investigate artwork websites if your aim is not to arrest artists and those who look at their artwork? (And eventually use them as an excuse to show why encryption is evil, and how "evil artists" could be caught more easily if it was backdoored.) If you're looking for news, there won't be any yet as, as I said, I'm still under investigation.
- left-struck 10mo ago
  I think it really depends on what kind of anime you’re talking about. Like if you’re watching one piece fan art and the British police raided you, absolutely ridiculous. If you’re looking at naked artistic depictions of minors then it’s clearly not just “anime artwork”. BTW I’m not saying that someone who looks at that should be treated the same way as someone who harms a child but I’m just saying the cultural acceptance in the uk between those two extremes is vast.
  - Jigsy 10mo ago
    They just said "illegal" artwork, they didn't stipulate. (So this could be incest, bestiality, loli, etc, etc.) Why would cultural acceptance matter? Classifying drawing something - regardless of what it is - as a "crime" is ridiculous. Like, for example, I don't like rape (or strangulation, something else they'll start arresting people for now since they recently made it a crime), but I don't want to see people jailed for drawing it, or jailed for looking at anime/drawings/manga/visual novels of/containing it. I'd rather see people who actually abuse, exploit or cause general suffering to another human being arrested and jailed.
  - jeffjeffbear 10mo ago
    > I think it really depends on what kind of anime you’re talking about Does it? If I draw a naked stick figure with boobs and say it is 14, is that morally wrong? At what point should a person care? Their point is that a drawing doesn't hurt people right?
    - AlecSchueler 10mo ago
      > If I draw a naked stick figure with boobs and say it is 14, is that morally wrong? At what point should a person care? No and I'm sure every judge in Britain would throw that case out. > Their point is that a drawing doesn't hurt people right? It can in certain circumstances encourage a market or normalise abusive behaviour.
      - FpUser 10mo ago
        >"It can in certain circumstances encourage..." Anything can be bad in "certain circumstances". They should go get busy with some real crime.
        AlecSchueler 10mo ago
        > Anything can be bad in "certain circumstances" Can it? In the same way? It feels like your argument comes down to handwaving. Circumstantial law is hardly a novel thing.
        ImPostingOnHN 10mo ago
        > Can it? In the same way? It feels like your argument comes down to handwaving. Circumstantial law is hardly a novel thing. I think that was their point: your argument seems handwavey, because anything can be bad "in certain circumstances". Hold the door for someone? Seems nice. But you could be insulting them by doing so. Or letting a virus in by having the door open too long. Or wasting energy and contributing to climate change by letting the conditioned air out. Indeed, under certain circumstances, it's bad.
  - csomar 10mo ago
    How do you determine that though? Do you put the pictures in front of a jury? I am riding the metro daily in a big Asian city and I am pretty sure many of the "anime" ads will be unacceptable on the other side of the world.

I was curious and searched to find more context and ... uh, no offense but what on earth have you been doing that you've been tangling with the law over CSAM for at least four years?

Jigsy 10mo ago

Watching anime, looking at anime artwork, reading manga since 2006. Why else would you criminally investigate artwork websites if your aim is not to arrest artists and those who look at their artwork? (And eventually use them as an excuse to show why encryption is evil, and how "evil artists" could be caught more easily if it was backdoored.) If you're looking for news, there won't be any yet as, as I said, I'm still under investigation.

left-struck 10mo ago
I think it really depends on what kind of anime you’re talking about. Like if you’re watching one piece fan art and the British police raided you, absolutely ridiculous. If you’re looking at naked artistic depictions of minors then it’s clearly not just “anime artwork”. BTW I’m not saying that someone who looks at that should be treated the same way as someone who harms a child but I’m just saying the cultural acceptance in the uk between those two extremes is vast.
- Jigsy 10mo ago
  They just said "illegal" artwork, they didn't stipulate. (So this could be incest, bestiality, loli, etc, etc.) Why would cultural acceptance matter? Classifying drawing something - regardless of what it is - as a "crime" is ridiculous. Like, for example, I don't like rape (or strangulation, something else they'll start arresting people for now since they recently made it a crime), but I don't want to see people jailed for drawing it, or jailed for looking at anime/drawings/manga/visual novels of/containing it. I'd rather see people who actually abuse, exploit or cause general suffering to another human being arrested and jailed.
- jeffjeffbear 10mo ago
  > I think it really depends on what kind of anime you’re talking about Does it? If I draw a naked stick figure with boobs and say it is 14, is that morally wrong? At what point should a person care? Their point is that a drawing doesn't hurt people right?
  - AlecSchueler 10mo ago
    > If I draw a naked stick figure with boobs and say it is 14, is that morally wrong? At what point should a person care? No and I'm sure every judge in Britain would throw that case out. > Their point is that a drawing doesn't hurt people right? It can in certain circumstances encourage a market or normalise abusive behaviour.
    - FpUser 10mo ago
      >"It can in certain circumstances encourage..." Anything can be bad in "certain circumstances". They should go get busy with some real crime.
      - AlecSchueler 10mo ago
        > Anything can be bad in "certain circumstances" Can it? In the same way? It feels like your argument comes down to handwaving. Circumstantial law is hardly a novel thing.
        ImPostingOnHN 10mo ago
        > Can it? In the same way? It feels like your argument comes down to handwaving. Circumstantial law is hardly a novel thing. I think that was their point: your argument seems handwavey, because anything can be bad "in certain circumstances". Hold the door for someone? Seems nice. But you could be insulting them by doing so. Or letting a virus in by having the door open too long. Or wasting energy and contributing to climate change by letting the conditioned air out. Indeed, under certain circumstances, it's bad.
- csomar 10mo ago
  How do you determine that though? Do you put the pictures in front of a jury? I am riding the metro daily in a big Asian city and I am pretty sure many of the "anime" ads will be unacceptable on the other side of the world.