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>The handguns used to murder almost all come from over the border. The way this intersects with the border and US foreign and trade policy re: Canada is hard to

>The handguns used to murder almost all come from over the border. The way this intersects with the border and US foreign and trade policy re: Canada is hard to avoid. Free exchange with the USA increasingly is seen as a vulnerability. The elephant in the room... Where do the people who murder come from? Immigration from certain parts of the world could also be seen as a vulnerability. There is a trend that no one wants to admit, So when you have a certain type of person who is violent and killing people, perhaps it is the type of people we are letting in, they are incompatible with Canadian/Western values.

quantified 10mo ago
What are the stats for that? Here in the USA, the overwhelming majority of criminals are native-born citizens. If you have stats that show immigrants are disproportionately the gun-wielding criminals, that'll bolster your argument. Otherwise, that just sounds like Russian talking points.
- dmitrygr 10mo ago
  "native-born citizens" may be, but do the majority have something in common? A quick look at the table https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7242a4.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7242a4.htm shows that the issue is not guns but something else. This is corroborated by these similar charts: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/state-stats/deaths/firearms.html https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/state-stats/deaths/firearms.html vs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_African-American_population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territ...
retrac 10mo ago
Well, since you've opened Pandora's box: the highest rate of homicide (by perpetrator) among major ethnic groups in Canada is indigenous. (Also as victims: the child who died in Toronto was indigenous.) There's definitely something going on there with that statistic, but it's not because of immigration.
- sleepyguy 10mo ago
  I was referring to Southern Ontario, specifically the GTA, since it is the most populated area of Canada.
  - retrac 10mo ago
    It's unfortunately true in southern Ontario, too. Indigenous people make up about 3% of Ontario's population, and they make up 20% of the population in provincial jails. The large disparity is also seen in Toronto, but since indigenous people are less than 1% of the population of Toronto, it doesn't show up so much in absolute terms.

quantified 10mo ago

What are the stats for that? Here in the USA, the overwhelming majority of criminals are native-born citizens. If you have stats that show immigrants are disproportionately the gun-wielding criminals, that'll bolster your argument. Otherwise, that just sounds like Russian talking points.

dmitrygr 10mo ago
"native-born citizens" may be, but do the majority have something in common? A quick look at the table https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7242a4.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7242a4.htm shows that the issue is not guns but something else. This is corroborated by these similar charts: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/state-stats/deaths/firearms.html https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/state-stats/deaths/firearms.html vs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_African-American_population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territ...

retrac 10mo ago

Well, since you've opened Pandora's box: the highest rate of homicide (by perpetrator) among major ethnic groups in Canada is indigenous. (Also as victims: the child who died in Toronto was indigenous.) There's definitely something going on there with that statistic, but it's not because of immigration.

sleepyguy 10mo ago
I was referring to Southern Ontario, specifically the GTA, since it is the most populated area of Canada.
- retrac 10mo ago
  It's unfortunately true in southern Ontario, too. Indigenous people make up about 3% of Ontario's population, and they make up 20% of the population in provincial jails. The large disparity is also seen in Toronto, but since indigenous people are less than 1% of the population of Toronto, it doesn't show up so much in absolute terms.