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So using a term as an ethnonym for historically British ethnic people is racist? If so, is it racist to assert or assume that ethnic Europeans exist?

periodjet 10mo ago
Social justice fundamentalism asserts that there are favored (“oppressed”) groups, and disfavored (“oppressor”) groups. True believers have created a largely arbitrary grouping called “white people”, assigning it the “oppressor” label. If a favored group’s nation were flooded by “white people”, that would be seen as an emergent situation requiring remedy; the opposite is what we’re seeing play out in societies like Britain, and is Not a Problem. I’m committing an act of violence by even describing it in this way. How or when a disfavored group is restored to neutral or favored status is undefined; one would presumably have to consult a head priest of the movement for an answer (and I wouldn’t expect any coherence or clarity).
- TimTheTinker 10mo ago
  It sounds like a Marxist structure with re-assigned labels.
tovej 10mo ago
What the hell are you on about. "Native brit" does not identify a people the way "native american" does. There is no entry in the dictionary for "native brit". This is all I'm talking about. Quit trolling.
- TimTheTinker 10mo ago
  OP was trying to talk about ethnic brits, and I think that was clear from the context. He was then rebuked for that.
  - tovej 10mo ago
    The OP was me. I pointed out how DHH's uses the term "native brit" to mean "white person" even though that is not the meaning of "native", which means you were born somewhere.
    - throwawaypath 10mo ago
      >I pointed out how DHH's uses the term "native brit" to mean "white person" Nowhere in his post does he mention "White person." He specifically mentions "native Brits." The only indigenous Brits native to the Britain are White Brits.
      - tovej 10mo ago
        He links to a wikipedia article and cites a percentage for "native brits". That number on the wikipedia page is for white brits. The only groups who could call themselves indigenous to Britain are the Celts, the Cornish, and the Bretons. The English (Anglo-Saxon) culture is foreign to the British isles. Even then, none of this is related to skin tone. It's the culture that defines these potentially indigenous Celtic groups.
        throwawaypath 10mo ago
        >He links to a wikipedia article and cites a percentage for "native brits". That number on the wikipedia page is for white brits. White Brits are the only indigenous, native Brits to Britain. >The only groups who could call themselves indigenous to Britain are the Celts, the Cornish, and the Bretons. The English (Anglo-Saxon) culture is foreign to the British isles. False. The English are the extant indigenous people to England, and descend from ancient populations: "The English largely descend from two main historical population groups: the West Germanic tribes, including the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes who settled in eastern and southern Britain following the withdrawal of the Western Roman Empire, and the Romano-British Brittonic speakers who already lived there." [0] QED. >Even then, none of this is related to skin tone. Glad you finally agree and admit to this. >It's the culture that defines these potentially indigenous Celtic groups. English culture is the current indigenous, native culture to England. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_people
- throwawaypath 10mo ago
  "The English people are an ethnic group [...] native to England." [0] "[White Brits] is an ethnicity classification used for the White population identifying as English..." [1] The English are the native and indigenous ethnic group to England (London). White Brits are a category that includes the English. QED. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_people [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_British https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_British
  - tovej 10mo ago
    The English are not indigenous to Britain. The best case for an indigenous culture is the Celts, Cornish, and Welsh. None of this has anything to do with being white, it's the language that defines belonging to these groups.
    - throwawaypath 10mo ago
      >The English are not indigenous to Britain. False. The English are the extant indigenous people to England, and descend from ancient populations: "The English largely descend from two main historical population groups: the West Germanic tribes, including the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes who settled in eastern and southern Britain following the withdrawal of the Western Roman Empire, and the Romano-British Brittonic speakers who already lived there." [0] QED. >The best case for an indigenous culture is the Celts, Cornish, and Welsh. Those are also "White Brits" who are indigenous to their respective areas. >None of this has anything to do with being white Glad you finally agree and admit to this. >it's the language that defines belonging to these groups. English language and culture is the current indigenous, native culture to England. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_people

periodjet 10mo ago

Social justice fundamentalism asserts that there are favored (“oppressed”) groups, and disfavored (“oppressor”) groups. True believers have created a largely arbitrary grouping called “white people”, assigning it the “oppressor” label. If a favored group’s nation were flooded by “white people”, that would be seen as an emergent situation requiring remedy; the opposite is what we’re seeing play out in societies like Britain, and is Not a Problem. I’m committing an act of violence by even describing it in this way. How or when a disfavored group is restored to neutral or favored status is undefined; one would presumably have to consult a head priest of the movement for an answer (and I wouldn’t expect any coherence or clarity).

TimTheTinker 10mo ago
It sounds like a Marxist structure with re-assigned labels.

tovej 10mo ago

What the hell are you on about. "Native brit" does not identify a people the way "native american" does. There is no entry in the dictionary for "native brit". This is all I'm talking about. Quit trolling.

TimTheTinker 10mo ago
OP was trying to talk about ethnic brits, and I think that was clear from the context. He was then rebuked for that.
- tovej 10mo ago
  The OP was me. I pointed out how DHH's uses the term "native brit" to mean "white person" even though that is not the meaning of "native", which means you were born somewhere.
  - throwawaypath 10mo ago
    >I pointed out how DHH's uses the term "native brit" to mean "white person" Nowhere in his post does he mention "White person." He specifically mentions "native Brits." The only indigenous Brits native to the Britain are White Brits.
    - tovej 10mo ago
      He links to a wikipedia article and cites a percentage for "native brits". That number on the wikipedia page is for white brits. The only groups who could call themselves indigenous to Britain are the Celts, the Cornish, and the Bretons. The English (Anglo-Saxon) culture is foreign to the British isles. Even then, none of this is related to skin tone. It's the culture that defines these potentially indigenous Celtic groups.
      - throwawaypath 10mo ago
        >He links to a wikipedia article and cites a percentage for "native brits". That number on the wikipedia page is for white brits. White Brits are the only indigenous, native Brits to Britain. >The only groups who could call themselves indigenous to Britain are the Celts, the Cornish, and the Bretons. The English (Anglo-Saxon) culture is foreign to the British isles. False. The English are the extant indigenous people to England, and descend from ancient populations: "The English largely descend from two main historical population groups: the West Germanic tribes, including the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes who settled in eastern and southern Britain following the withdrawal of the Western Roman Empire, and the Romano-British Brittonic speakers who already lived there." [0] QED. >Even then, none of this is related to skin tone. Glad you finally agree and admit to this. >It's the culture that defines these potentially indigenous Celtic groups. English culture is the current indigenous, native culture to England. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_people
throwawaypath 10mo ago
"The English people are an ethnic group [...] native to England." [0] "[White Brits] is an ethnicity classification used for the White population identifying as English..." [1] The English are the native and indigenous ethnic group to England (London). White Brits are a category that includes the English. QED. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_people [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_British https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_British
- tovej 10mo ago
  The English are not indigenous to Britain. The best case for an indigenous culture is the Celts, Cornish, and Welsh. None of this has anything to do with being white, it's the language that defines belonging to these groups.
  - throwawaypath 10mo ago
    >The English are not indigenous to Britain. False. The English are the extant indigenous people to England, and descend from ancient populations: "The English largely descend from two main historical population groups: the West Germanic tribes, including the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes who settled in eastern and southern Britain following the withdrawal of the Western Roman Empire, and the Romano-British Brittonic speakers who already lived there." [0] QED. >The best case for an indigenous culture is the Celts, Cornish, and Welsh. Those are also "White Brits" who are indigenous to their respective areas. >None of this has anything to do with being white Glad you finally agree and admit to this. >it's the language that defines belonging to these groups. English language and culture is the current indigenous, native culture to England. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_people