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So, they succeed and repeal it a third time. What can be done to stop them from trying again and again and again until they get away with it?

Sharlin 10mo ago
Not much really, unless the EU takes a big turn to the left. Which is unfortunately not something that's likely to happen anytime soon.
- rjdj377dhabsn 10mo ago
  The left? The authoritarian politicians pushing this legislation in the EU are more leftist than right.
  - LtWorf 10mo ago
    They're usually liberals, so right wing but they don't specifically hate homosexuals.
    - blain 10mo ago
      > They're usually liberals The irony. Aside from that I also thought EU is more left than right wing right now. Nothing what they try to push this term of office seems right wing to me.
      - LtWorf 10mo ago
        No? Kaja Kallas and Ursula VDL are trying to push war with Russia…
      - Sharlin 10mo ago
        The EU is definitely more right than left after the last election. The Commission in particular, though it seems they're always more right-wing than the Parliament. As we speak they're watering down all sorts of regulations beneficial to the common citizen but inconvenient to the corporations, and the "moderate" right is now openly threatening to ally, or downright allying, with the far right in various right-wing matters in order to get them passed.
  - impossiblefork 10mo ago
    Centrists, I'd say. Same as the people pushing it in the UK. The left, the anti-immigration parties and really, any party which isn't wholly 'let's do the same as we've always had' probably imagine that this would be used to their disadvantage somehow.
  - latexr 10mo ago
    They’re center-right. https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/digital-house-arrest-how-the-eu-wants-to-disempower-families/ https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/digital-house-arrest-how-th...
Nasrudith 10mo ago
There would need to be some form of punishment towards them for their failure to deter them. The most 'accessible' options to a disgruntled populace (or a small portion of it, down to N=1) are generally recognized as extreme things that very few sane people are on board with, because they are recognized widely as bad precedents for societies. Things like issuing death threats, assassinations, or burning down parliament buildings. To state what I hope is already obvious - this is not an endorsement of violence. For one Japan's history of 'government by assassination' was incredibly ugly and helped lead to extremism which helped lead to Imperial Japan's conduct becoming notorious as they did. There are other far more peaceful options to be considered but they would require high degrees of coordination and agreement. For an example, the classic Amish shunning - if legislatures faced utter social ostracism for their attempts then they would be unlikely to attempt it again. I'm not sure what policies could even provoke such extreme responses as those listed (violent or otherwise) in the first place, but for better or worse Chat Control isn't one of them. My most realistic guess would be that trying to abolish the pension/retirement system altogether.

Sharlin 10mo ago

Not much really, unless the EU takes a big turn to the left. Which is unfortunately not something that's likely to happen anytime soon.

rjdj377dhabsn 10mo ago
The left? The authoritarian politicians pushing this legislation in the EU are more leftist than right.
- LtWorf 10mo ago
  They're usually liberals, so right wing but they don't specifically hate homosexuals.
  - blain 10mo ago
    > They're usually liberals The irony. Aside from that I also thought EU is more left than right wing right now. Nothing what they try to push this term of office seems right wing to me.
    - LtWorf 10mo ago
      No? Kaja Kallas and Ursula VDL are trying to push war with Russia…
    - Sharlin 10mo ago
      The EU is definitely more right than left after the last election. The Commission in particular, though it seems they're always more right-wing than the Parliament. As we speak they're watering down all sorts of regulations beneficial to the common citizen but inconvenient to the corporations, and the "moderate" right is now openly threatening to ally, or downright allying, with the far right in various right-wing matters in order to get them passed.
- impossiblefork 10mo ago
  Centrists, I'd say. Same as the people pushing it in the UK. The left, the anti-immigration parties and really, any party which isn't wholly 'let's do the same as we've always had' probably imagine that this would be used to their disadvantage somehow.
- latexr 10mo ago
  They’re center-right. https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/digital-house-arrest-how-the-eu-wants-to-disempower-families/ https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/digital-house-arrest-how-th...

Nasrudith 10mo ago

There would need to be some form of punishment towards them for their failure to deter them. The most 'accessible' options to a disgruntled populace (or a small portion of it, down to N=1) are generally recognized as extreme things that very few sane people are on board with, because they are recognized widely as bad precedents for societies. Things like issuing death threats, assassinations, or burning down parliament buildings. To state what I hope is already obvious - this is not an endorsement of violence. For one Japan's history of 'government by assassination' was incredibly ugly and helped lead to extremism which helped lead to Imperial Japan's conduct becoming notorious as they did. There are other far more peaceful options to be considered but they would require high degrees of coordination and agreement. For an example, the classic Amish shunning - if legislatures faced utter social ostracism for their attempts then they would be unlikely to attempt it again. I'm not sure what policies could even provoke such extreme responses as those listed (violent or otherwise) in the first place, but for better or worse Chat Control isn't one of them. My most realistic guess would be that trying to abolish the pension/retirement system altogether.