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Not who you were just speaking with, but I’ve never agreed with the emotional side of a comment so much whilst disagreeing with the actionable choices side so m

by jama211 10mo ago

Not who you were just speaking with, but I’ve never agreed with the emotional side of a comment so much whilst disagreeing with the actionable choices side so much. In reality, the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. I would draw the line before outsourcing my own job, but I’ve definitely sandbagged my own productivity after being poorly treated by a company in the past and still have no regrets about it. If you’re looking for common ground with who you’re speaking with rather than trying to make your point so firmly, I think you’d also agree there is a level of meeting in the middle that is totally reasonable in how hard you should push such things, depending on who you work for and how they treat you.

Nextgrid 10mo ago
> the actionable choices side so much I just have a knee-jerk reaction to the double standard between companies and individuals. Enshittification appears to be the new normal, no reason they shouldn't get a bit of their own medicine. > meeting in the middle that is totally reasonable Yes of course - employee-owned companies and the occasional outliers that give employees a tangible stake in the outcome. But those generally would not be vulnerable to this attack to begin with since employee effort is appropriately rewarded. But for the average company, doing the bare minimum to keep your job is the winning strategy since doing more will not result in a proportional reward.
- jama211 10mo ago
  I can feel your pain in your comments, and when I was deep working for a company that treated me like crap I’d have been exactly the same way. I’m now in a company that treats me with great respect. No, I don’t have an actual stake in the company, but they’ve always treated me really well with regards to giving me all the freedom and autonomy and respect I’ve asked for, so I actually enjoy doing more than the bare minimum now with my workmates, and that’s ok too.
  - Nextgrid 10mo ago
    Post-pandemic we are all being treated like shit every day as consumers. Enshittification is bad, but if it's the new normal I find it desirable for the companies practicing it to get the same treatment in return from their own suppliers (employees or subcontractors). Given long enough it should put pressure on paying more for actually good work (aka those who don't slack off get paid more), or at the very least move some of the proceeds from enshittification from the company's boss into the slackers' pockets.
    - jama211 10mo ago
      You’re changing topics on me, but I don’t see the mechanism behind doing the bare minimum at work and moving proceeds from bosses to workers. The latter has only been achieved in the past through workers rights movements enforcing change via legislation, typically. However if you just needed to vent, I get it.

by jama211 10mo ago

Nextgrid 10mo ago

> the actionable choices side so much I just have a knee-jerk reaction to the double standard between companies and individuals. Enshittification appears to be the new normal, no reason they shouldn't get a bit of their own medicine. > meeting in the middle that is totally reasonable Yes of course - employee-owned companies and the occasional outliers that give employees a tangible stake in the outcome. But those generally would not be vulnerable to this attack to begin with since employee effort is appropriately rewarded. But for the average company, doing the bare minimum to keep your job is the winning strategy since doing more will not result in a proportional reward.

jama211 10mo ago
I can feel your pain in your comments, and when I was deep working for a company that treated me like crap I’d have been exactly the same way. I’m now in a company that treats me with great respect. No, I don’t have an actual stake in the company, but they’ve always treated me really well with regards to giving me all the freedom and autonomy and respect I’ve asked for, so I actually enjoy doing more than the bare minimum now with my workmates, and that’s ok too.
- Nextgrid 10mo ago
  Post-pandemic we are all being treated like shit every day as consumers. Enshittification is bad, but if it's the new normal I find it desirable for the companies practicing it to get the same treatment in return from their own suppliers (employees or subcontractors). Given long enough it should put pressure on paying more for actually good work (aka those who don't slack off get paid more), or at the very least move some of the proceeds from enshittification from the company's boss into the slackers' pockets.
  - jama211 10mo ago
    You’re changing topics on me, but I don’t see the mechanism behind doing the bare minimum at work and moving proceeds from bosses to workers. The latter has only been achieved in the past through workers rights movements enforcing change via legislation, typically. However if you just needed to vent, I get it.