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America is huge and there's a lot of exceptionally stupid people especially in the South and Midwest. Not much I can do about that over here in the coastal Nor

by voidfunc 10mo ago

America is huge and there's a lot of exceptionally stupid people especially in the South and Midwest. Not much I can do about that over here in the coastal Northeast.

hermannj314 10mo ago
I was offended and then I defined "exceptionally stupid" a few ways and all the statistics support this claim. I'm still offended though. Fucking a lot of smart people in Mass., Vermont, Conn., New York, Maryland, DC.
- matthewfcarlson 10mo ago
  I’m pretty sure anywhere there’s a lot of people (the northeast of the US for example) you’re going to find a lot of smart people.
  - hermannj314 10mo ago
    People with advanced degrees accumulate in those specific states, despite not significantly different rates of HS graduation from other states. Smart people, as measured by educational attainment, live in the NE coastal states and exceptionally stupid people (by the same metric) live in the South and Midwest. As a guy from Iowa, I was offended, but humbled by the reality of the numbers.
    - faidit 10mo ago
      All things considered, I don't think advanced degrees necessarily correlate with intelligence. It's often just a marker of socioeconomic privilege. A Carnegie Mellon study found that people with PhDs were more likely than any other educational attainment level to be against the Covid-19 vaccine: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.20.21260795v1.full.pdf https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.20.21260795v... (page 17) Gallup polls during the Vietnam War found that higher-educated Americans were more likely to be pro-war while the most anti-war group were those with only a grade school education: https://afterthewarproject.org/files/original/3e5e5a47a152039640da9e900d5e8f296fb5b18d.pdf https://afterthewarproject.org/files/original/3e5e5a47a15203... (page 19 of the PDF, page 38 of the document)
b00ty4breakfast 10mo ago
"us smarties would never fall for such obvious bread and circus. not like those silly dumdums what live in {region}!" said without an ounce irony as the proverbial rug is yanked right out from under your feet
golem14 10mo ago
Come on, there are exceptionally stupid people almost everywhere. No need for ad hominem.
mapontosevenths 10mo ago
I think you will find that fifty percent of people are of below average intelligence regardless of where you live. The average does tend to vary from state to state. It actually is a bit lower in the southern and midwestern states, but only by a few points. https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/average-iq-by-state https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/average-iq-...
- tptacek 9mo ago
  This is just an extrapolation of NAEP testing. It's more or less a chart of SES and how many students in each state need English language supports. People tend to believe without questioning it that there are geographical/regional surveys of "IQ". But have you ever been compelled to take an IQ test as part of a survey like that? I've never heard of that happening. In fact: those kinds of surveys do not exist.
  - mapontosevenths 9mo ago
    Yeah. The linked source is upfront about that, but its the closest thing we have to a real study sadly. As I said, the averages are close anyhow. Scholars have from time to time thrown their careers away by trying to get better numbers, inevitably some group doesn't like the outcome and they become embroiled in endless debate while their career implodes. For example, the major sources cited in The Bell Curve have had their titles stripped and been hounded to the ends of the earth. All these years later people are still specifically authoring papers to debunk their work. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289609000634 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01602... We will never see real numbers. This, or other things like it, are literally the best it will ever get unless someone sacrifices their career, and maybe their own safety, to gather better data.
    - tptacek 9mo ago
      There's a persistent myth that it's impossible to do science in this field and that people who try are cancelled. That's obviously false. You can just look this up. It's a fertile field and people are coming at it from multiple angles --- just watch arguments between behavioral and molecular geneticists on Twitter some time. The people who actually are (/were) hounded are people like Richard Lynn, the godfather of "average IQ by country" data sets. That's because their data sets are fraudulent; not in a subtle way, but very directly: for instance, data for Sub-Saharan African countries are taken in many cases exclusively from mental health facilities, the only places IQ tests are done in any significant numbers in those places.
jmeister 10mo ago
Flock helped catch the Boston/Brown shooter.
- Natfan 10mo ago
  the guy who took himself out? what did flock do to assist there?
  - kotaKat 9mo ago
    [flagged]
yard2010 10mo ago
It's not about stupid people, there are stupid people everywhere, it's about the .1% elite controlling all the wealth and power, using flaws in the ways humans work (stupid or not every human has to have shelter and food to survive).
deleted 10mo ago
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America is huge and there's a lot of exceptionally stupid people especially in the South and Midwest. Not much I can do about that over here in the coastal Northeast.

hermannj314 10mo ago

I was offended and then I defined "exceptionally stupid" a few ways and all the statistics support this claim. I'm still offended though. Fucking a lot of smart people in Mass., Vermont, Conn., New York, Maryland, DC.

matthewfcarlson 10mo ago
I’m pretty sure anywhere there’s a lot of people (the northeast of the US for example) you’re going to find a lot of smart people.
- hermannj314 10mo ago
  People with advanced degrees accumulate in those specific states, despite not significantly different rates of HS graduation from other states. Smart people, as measured by educational attainment, live in the NE coastal states and exceptionally stupid people (by the same metric) live in the South and Midwest. As a guy from Iowa, I was offended, but humbled by the reality of the numbers.
  - faidit 10mo ago
    All things considered, I don't think advanced degrees necessarily correlate with intelligence. It's often just a marker of socioeconomic privilege. A Carnegie Mellon study found that people with PhDs were more likely than any other educational attainment level to be against the Covid-19 vaccine: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.20.21260795v1.full.pdf https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.20.21260795v... (page 17) Gallup polls during the Vietnam War found that higher-educated Americans were more likely to be pro-war while the most anti-war group were those with only a grade school education: https://afterthewarproject.org/files/original/3e5e5a47a152039640da9e900d5e8f296fb5b18d.pdf https://afterthewarproject.org/files/original/3e5e5a47a15203... (page 19 of the PDF, page 38 of the document)

b00ty4breakfast 10mo ago

"us smarties would never fall for such obvious bread and circus. not like those silly dumdums what live in {region}!" said without an ounce irony as the proverbial rug is yanked right out from under your feet

golem14 10mo ago

Come on, there are exceptionally stupid people almost everywhere. No need for ad hominem.

mapontosevenths 10mo ago

I think you will find that fifty percent of people are of below average intelligence regardless of where you live. The average does tend to vary from state to state. It actually is a bit lower in the southern and midwestern states, but only by a few points. https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/average-iq-by-state https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/average-iq-...

tptacek 9mo ago
This is just an extrapolation of NAEP testing. It's more or less a chart of SES and how many students in each state need English language supports. People tend to believe without questioning it that there are geographical/regional surveys of "IQ". But have you ever been compelled to take an IQ test as part of a survey like that? I've never heard of that happening. In fact: those kinds of surveys do not exist.
- mapontosevenths 9mo ago
  Yeah. The linked source is upfront about that, but its the closest thing we have to a real study sadly. As I said, the averages are close anyhow. Scholars have from time to time thrown their careers away by trying to get better numbers, inevitably some group doesn't like the outcome and they become embroiled in endless debate while their career implodes. For example, the major sources cited in The Bell Curve have had their titles stripped and been hounded to the ends of the earth. All these years later people are still specifically authoring papers to debunk their work. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289609000634 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01602... We will never see real numbers. This, or other things like it, are literally the best it will ever get unless someone sacrifices their career, and maybe their own safety, to gather better data.
  - tptacek 9mo ago
    There's a persistent myth that it's impossible to do science in this field and that people who try are cancelled. That's obviously false. You can just look this up. It's a fertile field and people are coming at it from multiple angles --- just watch arguments between behavioral and molecular geneticists on Twitter some time. The people who actually are (/were) hounded are people like Richard Lynn, the godfather of "average IQ by country" data sets. That's because their data sets are fraudulent; not in a subtle way, but very directly: for instance, data for Sub-Saharan African countries are taken in many cases exclusively from mental health facilities, the only places IQ tests are done in any significant numbers in those places.

jmeister 10mo ago

Flock helped catch the Boston/Brown shooter.

Natfan 10mo ago
the guy who took himself out? what did flock do to assist there?
- kotaKat 9mo ago
  [flagged]

yard2010 10mo ago

It's not about stupid people, there are stupid people everywhere, it's about the .1% elite controlling all the wealth and power, using flaws in the ways humans work (stupid or not every human has to have shelter and food to survive).

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