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Here’s the source from the guardian https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/06/us-ukraine-russia-eu-victoria-nuland https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/f

• neoromantique 10mo ago
  >"an architect of the Ukraine crisis". Architect of the Ukraine crisis is Russian armed forces crossing the border and occupying the land, everything else is irrelevant.
  • locknitpicker 10mo ago
    > Architect of the Ukraine crisis is Russian armed forces crossing the border and occupying the land, everything else is irrelevant. Russia's hostility towards Ukraine starts well before the 2022 invasion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_war
    • neoromantique 10mo ago
      We are discussing 2014. Russian armed forces were present there from the get-go, and hybrid approaches were there long before 2014 too.
      • stinkbeetle 10mo ago
        Was that when Obama capitulated to Putin and permitted him to annex Crimea? Perhaps that was the "more flexibility" that he secretly promised Putin he would have after his election. I wonder what he got in return for it.
        • neoromantique 10mo ago
          I don't disagree? Merkel and Obama both.
        • DonHopkins 10mo ago
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  • quotz 10mo ago
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    • neoromantique 10mo ago
      Fuck the eu in that context, EU showed weakness, it got us war.
      • quotz 10mo ago
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        • mopsi 10mo ago
          ... says the Russian war propaganda. In the real world, NATO is a highly exclusive club, which is very reluctant to accept new members and extend its mutual defence clause to them. Ukraine and Georgia sought to join NATO after Russia had already begun violating their sovereign territory, but NATO allies caved to Russian pressure and denied membership to both Georgia and Ukraine. Russia then used this opportunity to invade them without triggering the full arsenal of NATO. Russia is not a cornered cat, but a nuclear-armed colonial empire that has expanded through war and conquest for centuries, growing from a small city-state into the largest country in the world, exterminating countless native ethnicities in the process: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/Territorial_Expansion_of_Russia.svg/1944px-Territorial_Expansion_of_Russia.svg.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/Te... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Russia
          • quotz 10mo ago
            The colonialist argument you are debating is not adequate, you can say the same for the whole Western bloc. You can even say the same for NATO [1]. [1] https://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/INTERACTIVE-NATO-expansion-Feb_2024-1709037937.png?w=770&resize=770%2C770&quality=80&quality=80 https://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/INTERAC...