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What a bizarre description of what the US did. Greenland has been inching towards independence since the seventies, because that's the common ambition of green
by cess11 10mo ago
What a bizarre description of what the US did.
Greenland has been inching towards independence since the seventies, because that's the common ambition of greenlandic peoples and it's slow because there are rather deep ties between Denmark and Greenland. These ties are to some extent very negative for the greenlanders, they're generally discriminated against and have been viciously mistreated at times, but a quick clean cut would also be quite painful for them.
In the seventies Greenland joined the EU predecessor EEC with Denmark, quickly realised that europeans were emptying their fishing waters and in the early eighties left the union. It's the only entity to have done so. Then the independence process trudged on, they self-manage in many areas now, even more since a 2008 referendum where some 75% or so voted in favour of independence. Since 2009 there is a law that says that Greenland can become independent whenever they want, as long as it's approved by greenlander referendum and the danish parliament.
To the extent they're a colony international law also clearly gives them the right to unilaterally declare independence. A majority of greenlanders are likely still in favour, but a majority also would prefer to postpone it if it would result in worse living conditions, since that's what polls usually conclude.
Ignoring half a century of rather delicate politics and independence ambitions the US shat all over it and said that they wanted to buy it, and then several years later said that they might just annex instead. This is quite belligerent and nasty behaviour, which in my opinion should have caused european countries to start dumping US bonds and stop answering calls from the White House.
- MangoToupe 10mo ago> if it would result in worse living conditions Well nobody is forcing Denmark to be a dick about decolonization, nor a dick to all the people it never colonized. That's a choice. > This is quite belligerent and nasty behaviour So was colonizing, well, anywhere. Europe still hasn't been appropriately punished for this. And yes, the US deserves to be punished severely for its own brutal conquests.
- jeltz 10mo agoWhy do you want to punish the Greenlanders? They would rather be a Danish colony than an American.
- MangoToupe 10mo agoLook the danish punished greelanders many generations before us. Pretending this is justice is just evil
- notahacker 10mo agoDenmark isn't "being a dick about decolonization", it's just that they happen to be very kindly subsidising half of Greenland's budget, which causes even many enthusiastic about the idea of an independent Greenland cause to think that leaving might be a mistake. Conversely, the leader of the present day United States threatens to colonising Greenland by force to show off how powerful he is. Ergo Europeans, particularly Greenlanders, have little reason to trust the US
- MangoToupe 10mo ago> Denmark isn't "being a dick about decolonization", it's just that they happen to be very kindly subsidising half of Greenland's budget, which causes even many enthusiastic about the idea of an independent Greenland cause to think that leaving might be a mistake. Brother, spread this pro-colonization propaganda elsewhere. > Conversely, the leader of the present day United States threatens to colonising Greenland by force to show off how powerful he is. Ergo Europeans, particularly Greenlanders, have little reason to trust the US Conversely? Brother, they are the same thing.
- notahacker 10mo agoFine, be that American whose ignorance of world affairs is exceeded only by faith that anything its government does, dastardly foreigns do worse...
- MangoToupe 10mo agoI am no liberal
- tokai 10mo agoYou know nothing about this, so stop spreading your made up lies. A roadmap for Greenlandic independence is in place. The Greenlandic parliament is controlling the speed of this process.
- MangoToupe 10mo ago[flagged]
- saubeidl 10mo agoIt is European right now. It's under European sovereignty.
- MangoToupe 10mo agoNo, it's a colony. Calling it european is an affront to everyone with the ability to read
- saubeidl 10mo agoA European colony is European.
- MangoToupe 10mo agoYou can call anything anything you want. Why not call greenland australian? Of course you'll look ridiculous regardless
- saubeidl 10mo agoThat's just silly. Is a Frenchman French, even if he lives in the US?
- MangoToupe 10mo agoThis is an asinine comparison. You need to inquire about the identity of the french man's slave
- cess11 10mo agoCurrently Denmark participates in financing Greenland, pulling the rug on it would likely not be pleasant for the greenlanders and if they did I'd count that as rather dickish unless the greenlanders had a near consensus on the issue and asked the danish parliament to do it. Well, some justice have been sought and won, but a lot remains. To me it seems like an attempt at distraction to clump together the treatment of the Mau Mau and the nuking of Algeria with Denmark's relation with Greenland. Besides economic relations, independence for Greenland would also mean that they would need to seek justice to a larger extent through international courts and in at least some cases it's likely easier for greenlanders to find justice in danish courts.
- MangoToupe 10mo agoOk, why doesn't denmark finance birundi? > Well, some justice have been sought and won And yet denmark hasn't burned. How do you remediate this contradiction? > To me it seems like an attempt at distraction to clump together the treatment of the Mau Mau and the nuking of Algeria with Denmark's relation with Greenland. Believe me, britain deserves far worse than just being burned down. But denmark still must face justice
- Flatterer3544 10mo agoYou make it sound that the brits were the bad guys, when it was an elite top % pulling the strings and the rest were mostly trying to make ends meet. But yes agree, the elite extracting wealth from the colonies back in the days, and still are extracting wealth from your average Joe, deserves far worse.
- MangoToupe 10mo agoColonies can only address this at the granularity of the nationalism with which they were presented. If every-day brits don't want to be blamed, they need to make their own rebellion to show they aren't party to the evil done in their name. I think this is true of my own country (the US), and it's hopeless. I think most americans are ok with the evil done in their name. I wish I had better advice or insight. But pretending like two imperial powers arguing over greenland is some great injustice just spits in the face of humanity. Have some fucking dignity. Greenland deserves better than to be treated like a piece of property