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Their VP and one of their government-linked oligarchs is meeting with literal Neonazis in Germany that are trying to topple the constitutional order: https://ww

• mlrtime 10mo ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany AFG are Neonazis?
  • saubeidl 10mo ago
    Indeed. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/19/turmoil-in-germany-over-neo-nazi-mass-deportation-meeting-explained https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/19/turmoil-in-ger... https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/dangerous-liaisons-the-true-proximity-of-germany-s-afd-to-neo-nazis-a-e69c51d3-4b3c-49d2-8d54-d7b0a19c3f9a https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/dangerous-liais...
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  • jrochkind1 10mo ago
    From the wikipedia article you just linked to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany#Neo-Nazi_controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany#Neo-Na... and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany#German_nationalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany#German...
• Amezarak 10mo ago
  If the #2 or #1 most popular political party in Germany are "literal Neonazis", I think Germany and likely Europe as a whole has a much bigger problem than whatever America is doing.
  • saubeidl 10mo ago
    Those two are not unrelated. It's a result of deliberate media manipulation and hybrid warfare by the US and Russia.
    • Amezarak 10mo ago
      I see. Well, foreign intervention and propaganda in democracies is nothing new. It is well documented all the way back to the time of ancient Greece. So your contention is that in Germany and perhaps other countries (France?) some of the most popular political parties are popular only because their partisans are uneducated dupes or worse, in thrall to foreign powers. Perhaps you would be better off ideologically not supporting democracy - it sounds like it is not for you. Of course democracy has its problems - and people voting for dumb ideas is one of them! You can either accept that it's your duty to convince your citizens you are right to win their votes, or you can insist that everyone else is wrong and democracy means they should shut up and vote only the "right" way in accordance with establishment approved opinions and go about what Europe has been doing, which is to continue to pursue unpopular policies and blame Russiia/nazis/America/the Internet/free speech for their problems. European center and left parties could suck all the oxygen out of the room and starve the far-right overnight if they simply introduced and enforced major immigration restrictions - but it's precisely this which is not a Establishment Approved Idea and deemed Unthinkable Hate. Democracy, as long as your opinions are allowed.
      • saubeidl 10mo ago
        > So your contention is that in Germany and perhaps other countries (France?) some of the most popular political parties are popular only because their partisans are uneducated dupes or worse, in thrall to foreign powers. Perhaps you would be better off ideologically not supporting democracy - it sounds like it is not for you. Of course democracy has its problems - and people voting for dumb ideas is one of them! I don't! I think authoritarian leftism is the way to go as most people are too stupid for their own good tbh.
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  • microtonal 10mo ago
    geberation there will be no more real germans I would be very surprised if this type of speech is allowed/tolerated on HN.
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      • saubeidl 10mo ago
        It's not tolerated because it's not the truth, even if your feelings are hurt by that.
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