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It means lots of people will give up the hobby. Let's be real, the twitch FPS CoD players aren't going to give that up and play a boring life simulator. This

It means lots of people will give up the hobby. Let's be real, the twitch FPS CoD players aren't going to give that up and play a boring life simulator. This has the potential to harm a lot of businesses from hardware to software companies, and change the lives of millions of people.

jonway 10mo ago
That doesn't sem very plausible, how many people are driven away from CounterStrike or like League of Legends because the graphics weren't as good as Cyberpunk or whatever? Theres a LOT of games that compete with AAA-massive-budget games on aggregate like Dwarf Fortress, CS, League, Fortnite, people are still playing arma 2, dayz, rust, etc Rainbow Six: Siege still has adherents and even cash-payout tournaments. EvE: Online, Ultima Online, Runescape, still goin' These games have like no advertising and are still moneymakers. Eve and UO are like 20 and 30 years old. Heck, Classic WoW!
- deaux 10mo ago
  I wonder if all the games you named combined surpass what Mihoyo makes off the likes of Genshin Impact.
  - jonway 10mo ago
    Dunno (maybe wow?) but is it the most expensive graphics hardware giving AAA all the money/air or because they have a great reputation as games, solid consistent advertising, a strong network effect and a spot on the top of new release lists? I feel like league of legends has, wrt the genshin $s, I honestly haven’t checked!
  - Apocryphon 10mo ago
    Do gacha mobile games even require high-end graphics? Genshin Impact doesn't support native ray tracing.
    - re-thc 10mo ago
      Plenty of titles that support ray tracing eg wuthering waves. Many gacha titles now offer amazing pc graphics on nvidia cards compared to mobile.
- kitsune1 10mo ago
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baobun 10mo ago
PC gaming will be fine even without 8K 120fps raytracing. It will be fine even if limited to iGPUs. Maybe even better off if it means new titles are actually playable on an average new miniPC. More realistically I guess we get an AMD/Intel duopoly looking quite similar instead. It will probably be a bigger blow to people who want to run LLMs at home.
A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 10mo ago
Huh? No? It means that the overall platform is already at 'good enough' level. There can always be an improvement, but in terms of pure visuals, we are already past at a point, where some studios choose simple representations ( see some 2d platformers ) as a stylistic choice. It gonna be ok.
- newsclues 10mo ago
  My pc is good enough for now but it’s years old and when it dies, then what? You want me to give up gaming and start hanging out at your local bar?
  - A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 10mo ago
    It is not a question of want. Gaming will exist in some form so I am simply uncertain what you are concerned about. Can you elaborate a little? What, exactly, is your concern here? That you won't have nvidia as a choice? That AMD will be the only game in town? That gpu market will move from duopoly ( for gaming specifically ) to monopoly? I have little to go on, but I don't really want to put words in your mouth based on minimal post.
    - newsclues 10mo ago
      I want a local gaming machine that I control. Not a locked ecosystem console or a streaming service with lag! I think if nvidia leaves the market for AI, why wouldn’t AMD and intel, with the memory cartel. So DIY market is gone. That kills lots of companies and creators that rely on the gaming market. It’s a doom spiral for a lot of the industry. If gaming is just PlayStation and switch and iGPUs there is a lot less innovation in pushing graphics. It will kill the hobby.
      - A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 10mo ago
        Interesting. Does nvidia offer control? Last time I checked they arbitrarily updated their drivers to degrade unwelcome use case ( in that case, for crypto ). It sounds to me like the opposite of that. Separately, do you think they won't try to ingratiate themselves to gamers again once AI market changes? Do you not think they are part of the cartel anyway ( and the DIY market exists despite that )? << So DIY market is gone. How? One use case is gone. Granted, not a small one and one with an odd type of.. fervor, but relatively small nonetheless. At best, DIY market shifts to local inference machines and whatnot. Unless you specifically refer to gaming market.. << That kills lots of companies and creators that rely on the gaming market. Markets change all the time. EA is king of the mountain. EA is filing for bankruptcy. Circle of life. Edit: ALso, upon some additional consideration and in the spirit of christmas, fuck the streamers ( aka creators ). With very, very limited exceptions, they actively drive what is mostly wrong with gaming these days. Fuck em. And that is before we get to the general retardation they contribute to. << It’s a doom spiral for a lot of the industry. How? For AAA? Good. Fuck em. We have been here before and were all better for it. << If gaming is just PlayStation and switch and iGPUs there is a lot less innovation in pushing graphics. Am I reading it right? AMD and Intel is just for consoles? << It will kill the hobby. It is an assertion without any evidence OR a logical cause and effect. So far, I am not buying it.
pjmlp 10mo ago
Let's be real, CoD only appeals to a small community in the whole planet.
- newsclues 10mo ago
  Millions of people.
  - amanaplanacanal 10mo ago
    But if it didn't exist, those people would likely be playing something else.
    - newsclues 10mo ago
      If no pc hardware exists eventually there will be no games to play. Then you will have a bunch of angry gamers at the park pissing everyone off. If my hobby is ruined and I can’t have fun, I’m going to be an asshole and make everyone else unhappy.
      - lolc 10mo ago
        Ahaha are you trolling for entitled gamers? Yeah wouldn't want the real world having to face those. No worries: as long as there are people willing to drop money into expensive gear, somebody will sell it.
  - pjmlp 10mo ago
    There are many more millions of gamers that don't even care CoD exists, it fits a small percentage on the world of gaming.
  - ThrowawayR2 10mo ago
    CoD has less players than Team Fortress 2 currently, according to Valve's charts: https://store.steampowered.com/charts/mostplayed https://store.steampowered.com/charts/mostplayed . And TF2 has ancient graphics.
coldtea 10mo ago
>It means lots of people will give up the hobby. Oh, we can only hope! >This has the potential to harm a lot of businesses from hardware to software companies, and change the lives of millions of people. Including millions of gamers, but for the better.
- newsclues 10mo ago
  You hate gamers? Why? Why can’t you let people enjoy their hobby?
  - coldtea 10mo ago
    For the same reason I don't like alcoholism or meth use or gambling or porn addiction, even when the person "enjoys them".
    - tavavex 10mo ago
      That's one hell of a long shot. Are your views applicable to the rest of the entertainment industry? There's plenty of people wasting away in front on Netflix, after all. Or why just entertainment, any "useless" hobbies that are repeatedly done for fun but have no real productive output. Is any comparable "pleasurable" activity that also hooks a minority of people in an unhealthy way bad, or just gaming? But what's most insane is trying to draw any parallels between gaming and these other things - something that was literally engineered to ruin human lives, biologically (hard drugs) or psychologically (gambling). The harm and evil caused by these two industries is incomprehensible (especially the legal parts of them, like alcohol and casino gambling/sports betting/online gambling), and trying to fit gaming in among them both downplays the amount of suffering inflicted by gambling and hard drugs, as well as villainizes normal people - like the hundreds of millions of people who play games in a sane, non-problematic way or indie game devs who make games because they want to express themselves artistically. Anyways, I gotta log off HN for a while. I can feel my gaming withdrawal kicking in. I've bankrupted myself four times by only spending my money on gaming, and I've been in and out of rehab centres and ERs as I've been slowly destroying my body with gaming in a spiral of deadly addiction. I think I'll have to panhandle and threaten strangers on the street to buy some Steam cards.
hyghjiyhu 10mo ago
Cod devs aren't stupid. They will design a game for the hardware their target market can get their hands on.
_vqpz 10mo ago
Most CoD players are on console or mobile, not PC
jabroni_salad 10mo ago
CoD is currently 300GB on disk due to all the textures. I suspect a lot of players would be happy with a modest regression in fidelity if it means the game can run smoothly on affordable devices and leave some room for their other games too.

jonway 10mo ago

That doesn't sem very plausible, how many people are driven away from CounterStrike or like League of Legends because the graphics weren't as good as Cyberpunk or whatever? Theres a LOT of games that compete with AAA-massive-budget games on aggregate like Dwarf Fortress, CS, League, Fortnite, people are still playing arma 2, dayz, rust, etc Rainbow Six: Siege still has adherents and even cash-payout tournaments. EvE: Online, Ultima Online, Runescape, still goin' These games have like no advertising and are still moneymakers. Eve and UO are like 20 and 30 years old. Heck, Classic WoW!

deaux 10mo ago
I wonder if all the games you named combined surpass what Mihoyo makes off the likes of Genshin Impact.
- jonway 10mo ago
  Dunno (maybe wow?) but is it the most expensive graphics hardware giving AAA all the money/air or because they have a great reputation as games, solid consistent advertising, a strong network effect and a spot on the top of new release lists? I feel like league of legends has, wrt the genshin $s, I honestly haven’t checked!
- Apocryphon 10mo ago
  Do gacha mobile games even require high-end graphics? Genshin Impact doesn't support native ray tracing.
  - re-thc 10mo ago
    Plenty of titles that support ray tracing eg wuthering waves. Many gacha titles now offer amazing pc graphics on nvidia cards compared to mobile.
kitsune1 10mo ago
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baobun 10mo ago

PC gaming will be fine even without 8K 120fps raytracing. It will be fine even if limited to iGPUs. Maybe even better off if it means new titles are actually playable on an average new miniPC. More realistically I guess we get an AMD/Intel duopoly looking quite similar instead. It will probably be a bigger blow to people who want to run LLMs at home.

A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 10mo ago

Huh? No? It means that the overall platform is already at 'good enough' level. There can always be an improvement, but in terms of pure visuals, we are already past at a point, where some studios choose simple representations ( see some 2d platformers ) as a stylistic choice. It gonna be ok.

newsclues 10mo ago
My pc is good enough for now but it’s years old and when it dies, then what? You want me to give up gaming and start hanging out at your local bar?
- A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 10mo ago
  It is not a question of want. Gaming will exist in some form so I am simply uncertain what you are concerned about. Can you elaborate a little? What, exactly, is your concern here? That you won't have nvidia as a choice? That AMD will be the only game in town? That gpu market will move from duopoly ( for gaming specifically ) to monopoly? I have little to go on, but I don't really want to put words in your mouth based on minimal post.
  - newsclues 10mo ago
    I want a local gaming machine that I control. Not a locked ecosystem console or a streaming service with lag! I think if nvidia leaves the market for AI, why wouldn’t AMD and intel, with the memory cartel. So DIY market is gone. That kills lots of companies and creators that rely on the gaming market. It’s a doom spiral for a lot of the industry. If gaming is just PlayStation and switch and iGPUs there is a lot less innovation in pushing graphics. It will kill the hobby.
    - A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 10mo ago
      Interesting. Does nvidia offer control? Last time I checked they arbitrarily updated their drivers to degrade unwelcome use case ( in that case, for crypto ). It sounds to me like the opposite of that. Separately, do you think they won't try to ingratiate themselves to gamers again once AI market changes? Do you not think they are part of the cartel anyway ( and the DIY market exists despite that )? << So DIY market is gone. How? One use case is gone. Granted, not a small one and one with an odd type of.. fervor, but relatively small nonetheless. At best, DIY market shifts to local inference machines and whatnot. Unless you specifically refer to gaming market.. << That kills lots of companies and creators that rely on the gaming market. Markets change all the time. EA is king of the mountain. EA is filing for bankruptcy. Circle of life. Edit: ALso, upon some additional consideration and in the spirit of christmas, fuck the streamers ( aka creators ). With very, very limited exceptions, they actively drive what is mostly wrong with gaming these days. Fuck em. And that is before we get to the general retardation they contribute to. << It’s a doom spiral for a lot of the industry. How? For AAA? Good. Fuck em. We have been here before and were all better for it. << If gaming is just PlayStation and switch and iGPUs there is a lot less innovation in pushing graphics. Am I reading it right? AMD and Intel is just for consoles? << It will kill the hobby. It is an assertion without any evidence OR a logical cause and effect. So far, I am not buying it.

pjmlp 10mo ago

Let's be real, CoD only appeals to a small community in the whole planet.

newsclues 10mo ago
Millions of people.
- amanaplanacanal 10mo ago
  But if it didn't exist, those people would likely be playing something else.
  - newsclues 10mo ago
    If no pc hardware exists eventually there will be no games to play. Then you will have a bunch of angry gamers at the park pissing everyone off. If my hobby is ruined and I can’t have fun, I’m going to be an asshole and make everyone else unhappy.
    - lolc 10mo ago
      Ahaha are you trolling for entitled gamers? Yeah wouldn't want the real world having to face those. No worries: as long as there are people willing to drop money into expensive gear, somebody will sell it.
- pjmlp 10mo ago
  There are many more millions of gamers that don't even care CoD exists, it fits a small percentage on the world of gaming.
- ThrowawayR2 10mo ago
  CoD has less players than Team Fortress 2 currently, according to Valve's charts: https://store.steampowered.com/charts/mostplayed https://store.steampowered.com/charts/mostplayed . And TF2 has ancient graphics.

coldtea 10mo ago

>It means lots of people will give up the hobby. Oh, we can only hope! >This has the potential to harm a lot of businesses from hardware to software companies, and change the lives of millions of people. Including millions of gamers, but for the better.

newsclues 10mo ago
You hate gamers? Why? Why can’t you let people enjoy their hobby?
- coldtea 10mo ago
  For the same reason I don't like alcoholism or meth use or gambling or porn addiction, even when the person "enjoys them".
  - tavavex 10mo ago
    That's one hell of a long shot. Are your views applicable to the rest of the entertainment industry? There's plenty of people wasting away in front on Netflix, after all. Or why just entertainment, any "useless" hobbies that are repeatedly done for fun but have no real productive output. Is any comparable "pleasurable" activity that also hooks a minority of people in an unhealthy way bad, or just gaming? But what's most insane is trying to draw any parallels between gaming and these other things - something that was literally engineered to ruin human lives, biologically (hard drugs) or psychologically (gambling). The harm and evil caused by these two industries is incomprehensible (especially the legal parts of them, like alcohol and casino gambling/sports betting/online gambling), and trying to fit gaming in among them both downplays the amount of suffering inflicted by gambling and hard drugs, as well as villainizes normal people - like the hundreds of millions of people who play games in a sane, non-problematic way or indie game devs who make games because they want to express themselves artistically. Anyways, I gotta log off HN for a while. I can feel my gaming withdrawal kicking in. I've bankrupted myself four times by only spending my money on gaming, and I've been in and out of rehab centres and ERs as I've been slowly destroying my body with gaming in a spiral of deadly addiction. I think I'll have to panhandle and threaten strangers on the street to buy some Steam cards.

hyghjiyhu 10mo ago

Cod devs aren't stupid. They will design a game for the hardware their target market can get their hands on.

_vqpz 10mo ago

Most CoD players are on console or mobile, not PC

jabroni_salad 10mo ago

CoD is currently 300GB on disk due to all the textures. I suspect a lot of players would be happy with a modest regression in fidelity if it means the game can run smoothly on affordable devices and leave some room for their other games too.