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What service are you using to run your cloud on top of? Do you have your own hardware (which I feel is unlikely) or are you using any other cloud provider to bu

What service are you using to run your cloud on top of? Do you have your own hardware (which I feel is unlikely) or are you using any other cloud provider to build on top of I was interested in building my own cloud (which had a specific niche) and the biggest issues which happened for me personally were that most companies had the issues that if you wanted to create your own cloud on top of, you were responsible for the abuse from your clients and they can shutdown your account if threats persisted/It wasn't really clear for many companies so I was always somewhat worried about it, so I am curious as to how you are dealing with it or what your thoughts are on this matter.

re-thc 10mo ago
> they can shutdown your account if threats persisted That problem can NEVER be avoided at any level unless you run absolutely everything (which is almost impossible). What everyone does is have a system to quickly pass on and also shutdown who's 1 layer down. You receive a report and deal with the client. > I was interested in building my own cloud At the end of the day the problem has nothing to do with clouds. It happens everywhere e.g. if you rented out a house and someone did something illegal with it... how do you avoid it? All the same.
- bojangleslover 10mo ago
  We actually ran out of my house in our very early stages at which case we owned everything. We had Google Fiber 8gbps for $150/mo. The only issue was the Google Fiber terms of service — ie they could shut us down at any time. This was one reason we went to colocation.
  - re-thc 10mo ago
    > at which case we owned everything. We had Google Fiber So you didn’t own everything. Google owned the IPs and network. It’s the same colocating in that your network providers can be shut down.
    - bojangleslover 10mo ago
      I guess you're right. Is it even possible to truly own everything yourself? Even if you open your own data center, at some point you have to agree to peer with big fiber providers like Segra, Lumen, AWS Edge Network, right?
      - re-thc 10mo ago
        > Is it even possible to truly own everything yourself? Even if you do there's still more to it e.g. blacklists of different kinds e.g. known proxies, spam listings, etc that would still mean you need to kick out your client. Then there's the bad clients you need to deal with e.g. if they send DoS from your network. Even if you don't get a report it will eat up your limited resources and you may be subject to revenges and bring down your infrastructure. Conclusion: there's lots to it but so does every business. That's just life.
- Imustaskforhelp 10mo ago
  Yes I agree but there was always this fear I had/still have that if abuse gets too much, some providers might be unwilling to give proper support This is why honestly I had been talking to more indie cloud providers and realized the whole space of low-endtalk and I think that a good compromise to the whole situation is as if I can rent servers but they can realize that at the end of the day, I am an indie solution myself and this is something which in my opinion is only possible with either large but specific cloud providers (fwiw upcloud although they blocked my account because I hadnt added card details or similar supports it and mostly small cloud providers support it)
charcircuit 10mo ago
login.carolinacloud.io resolves to 216.227.218.162 which is owned by https://www.tier.net/ https://www.tier.net/ which has a datacenter in Charlotte.
bojangleslover 10mo ago
We own all of our own hardware and we rent space in a colocation center in Charlotte, NC. We used to run out of my house since I had 8Gbps unmetered from Google Fiber but ultimately went to colocation since it was relatively cheap and has the backup power/network infrastructure.
- Imustaskforhelp 10mo ago
  Ooh very interesting! Thank you for your response but I have some questions My family (sort of) has some relations with internet providers in the area so if I actually do follow this, its not something that I am exactly fearing about. Now regarding the fact that you ran it out of your house, I suppose you had a completely different firewall/fibre to prevent your devices to get any sort of (malware?) since the servers would be running untrusted code I am more so interested in these two aspects: Were you worried about the fact that your public ip was available or anything similar? Like I had this fear that it was equal to effectively ddosing myself even though my ip of the current router only gets geolocated to a place 150 kms away from me, I (still?) have that fear I am not thaat familiar with networking but did you have your own ip ranges or did you provide ipv4 ranges to your customers? Also how were you managing the fact that maybe your house could've been swatted (I am not sure about the security of north carolina) but I have this deep (irrational?) fear that anyone might do nefarious things since effectively I think that we are only as strong as our weakest link and I am curious if something like this happened with you or did you have any such thoughts?
tryauuum 10mo ago
even if the datacenter provider owns the IP ranges and thus gets all the abuse mail, they are kind of incentivized to keep you as a customer? since you are paying them also, if you get your own IP ranges then the provider won't care much about e.g. your clients scanning the internet / running malware Another topic is DDoS to your clients which can exhaust the uplink bandwidth... Don't know much of it
- bojangleslover 10mo ago
  We've yet to have any DDoS problems. We don't even use cloudflare proxy which we feel keeps our API and frontend super fast and responsive.
  - tryauuum 10mo ago
    yes, pretty unlikely to have them, as long as all your customers are actually ML people

re-thc 10mo ago

> they can shutdown your account if threats persisted That problem can NEVER be avoided at any level unless you run absolutely everything (which is almost impossible). What everyone does is have a system to quickly pass on and also shutdown who's 1 layer down. You receive a report and deal with the client. > I was interested in building my own cloud At the end of the day the problem has nothing to do with clouds. It happens everywhere e.g. if you rented out a house and someone did something illegal with it... how do you avoid it? All the same.

bojangleslover 10mo ago
We actually ran out of my house in our very early stages at which case we owned everything. We had Google Fiber 8gbps for $150/mo. The only issue was the Google Fiber terms of service — ie they could shut us down at any time. This was one reason we went to colocation.
- re-thc 10mo ago
  > at which case we owned everything. We had Google Fiber So you didn’t own everything. Google owned the IPs and network. It’s the same colocating in that your network providers can be shut down.
  - bojangleslover 10mo ago
    I guess you're right. Is it even possible to truly own everything yourself? Even if you open your own data center, at some point you have to agree to peer with big fiber providers like Segra, Lumen, AWS Edge Network, right?
    - re-thc 10mo ago
      > Is it even possible to truly own everything yourself? Even if you do there's still more to it e.g. blacklists of different kinds e.g. known proxies, spam listings, etc that would still mean you need to kick out your client. Then there's the bad clients you need to deal with e.g. if they send DoS from your network. Even if you don't get a report it will eat up your limited resources and you may be subject to revenges and bring down your infrastructure. Conclusion: there's lots to it but so does every business. That's just life.
Imustaskforhelp 10mo ago
Yes I agree but there was always this fear I had/still have that if abuse gets too much, some providers might be unwilling to give proper support This is why honestly I had been talking to more indie cloud providers and realized the whole space of low-endtalk and I think that a good compromise to the whole situation is as if I can rent servers but they can realize that at the end of the day, I am an indie solution myself and this is something which in my opinion is only possible with either large but specific cloud providers (fwiw upcloud although they blocked my account because I hadnt added card details or similar supports it and mostly small cloud providers support it)

charcircuit 10mo ago

login.carolinacloud.io resolves to 216.227.218.162 which is owned by https://www.tier.net/ https://www.tier.net/ which has a datacenter in Charlotte.

bojangleslover 10mo ago

We own all of our own hardware and we rent space in a colocation center in Charlotte, NC. We used to run out of my house since I had 8Gbps unmetered from Google Fiber but ultimately went to colocation since it was relatively cheap and has the backup power/network infrastructure.

Imustaskforhelp 10mo ago
Ooh very interesting! Thank you for your response but I have some questions My family (sort of) has some relations with internet providers in the area so if I actually do follow this, its not something that I am exactly fearing about. Now regarding the fact that you ran it out of your house, I suppose you had a completely different firewall/fibre to prevent your devices to get any sort of (malware?) since the servers would be running untrusted code I am more so interested in these two aspects: Were you worried about the fact that your public ip was available or anything similar? Like I had this fear that it was equal to effectively ddosing myself even though my ip of the current router only gets geolocated to a place 150 kms away from me, I (still?) have that fear I am not thaat familiar with networking but did you have your own ip ranges or did you provide ipv4 ranges to your customers? Also how were you managing the fact that maybe your house could've been swatted (I am not sure about the security of north carolina) but I have this deep (irrational?) fear that anyone might do nefarious things since effectively I think that we are only as strong as our weakest link and I am curious if something like this happened with you or did you have any such thoughts?

tryauuum 10mo ago

even if the datacenter provider owns the IP ranges and thus gets all the abuse mail, they are kind of incentivized to keep you as a customer? since you are paying them also, if you get your own IP ranges then the provider won't care much about e.g. your clients scanning the internet / running malware Another topic is DDoS to your clients which can exhaust the uplink bandwidth... Don't know much of it

bojangleslover 10mo ago
We've yet to have any DDoS problems. We don't even use cloudflare proxy which we feel keeps our API and frontend super fast and responsive.
- tryauuum 10mo ago
  yes, pretty unlikely to have them, as long as all your customers are actually ML people