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I've not been keeping up with the news lately though I'd heard about this in passing. Was this tipped off from prior investigations wrapping up finally, or the

by silisili 10mo ago

I've not been keeping up with the news lately though I'd heard about this in passing. Was this tipped off from prior investigations wrapping up finally, or the current federal gov's hatred of Walz and Omar? I mainly ask because it makes me curious how much fraud exists in other states - basically are we picking on MN, or are they the exception?

derbOac 10mo ago
It seems people in this thread are getting downvoted for pointing out that your questions are reasonable. There's a lot of disputes between state and federal authorities about this. The 9B figure is being disputed, and there's a lot of claims that the state has been kept in the dark about it intentionally, with claims that MN GOP House members on fraud investigation committees have been purposely withholding information from the state, forwarding their information instead to federal prosecutors. These House members don't seem to deny this: https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/house-fraud-committee-withholding-whistleblower-tips-from-dhs-investigators/ https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/house-fraud-committee-wi... https://www.startribune.com/walz-says-theres-no-evidence-of-9b-in-fraud-exposing-rift-between-state-and-feds/601549681 https://www.startribune.com/walz-says-theres-no-evidence-of-... I'm not sure people are really disputing that the fraud happened. I think there are disagreements about the scope of it and about the way in which the investigation has been happening, and the motives for the way in which it has happened. Here's the whistleblower portal they set up earlier this year for example: https://mnhouserepublicans.com/whistleblower-portal/ https://mnhouserepublicans.com/whistleblower-portal/ They then forwarded tips to the federal DOJ and not the state. So are they picking on MN? I don't think the fraud, to the extent it is there, is them picking on them. The way in which this has unfolded might be.
- silisili 10mo ago
  Yeah, I usually shy away from these threads because any hint of politicism drives tribalism and people assuming whatever I said is on the enemy side, whatever that is. I just wanted to get more informed thoughts and opinions. In any event, thank you for the response and links.
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cavisne 10mo ago
There is plenty of fraud to go around but most of it is sophisticated and distributed (ie. lots of individual fraudulent PPP loans from somewhat real businesses exaggerating their expenses). The difference in MN is the fraud is jaw-droppingly stupid. Just read the Feeding our Future wikipedia page [1]. The fraudsters knew they were under suspicion, still got money from the state ,sued the state to force them to pay more - claiming racism, won, a judge forced the state to pay them 250m, blatantly spent the money on sports cars (again - knowing they were being investigated), got caught, tried to pay off the jury, the person who tried to pay of the jury stole the bribe money. The investigation was wrapped up some time ago, but it did not get a lot of attention for obvious political reasons. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feeding_Our_Future https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feeding_Our_Future

derbOac 10mo ago

It seems people in this thread are getting downvoted for pointing out that your questions are reasonable. There's a lot of disputes between state and federal authorities about this. The 9B figure is being disputed, and there's a lot of claims that the state has been kept in the dark about it intentionally, with claims that MN GOP House members on fraud investigation committees have been purposely withholding information from the state, forwarding their information instead to federal prosecutors. These House members don't seem to deny this: https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/house-fraud-committee-withholding-whistleblower-tips-from-dhs-investigators/ https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/house-fraud-committee-wi... https://www.startribune.com/walz-says-theres-no-evidence-of-9b-in-fraud-exposing-rift-between-state-and-feds/601549681 https://www.startribune.com/walz-says-theres-no-evidence-of-... I'm not sure people are really disputing that the fraud happened. I think there are disagreements about the scope of it and about the way in which the investigation has been happening, and the motives for the way in which it has happened. Here's the whistleblower portal they set up earlier this year for example: https://mnhouserepublicans.com/whistleblower-portal/ https://mnhouserepublicans.com/whistleblower-portal/ They then forwarded tips to the federal DOJ and not the state. So are they picking on MN? I don't think the fraud, to the extent it is there, is them picking on them. The way in which this has unfolded might be.

silisili 10mo ago
Yeah, I usually shy away from these threads because any hint of politicism drives tribalism and people assuming whatever I said is on the enemy side, whatever that is. I just wanted to get more informed thoughts and opinions. In any event, thank you for the response and links.

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cavisne 10mo ago

There is plenty of fraud to go around but most of it is sophisticated and distributed (ie. lots of individual fraudulent PPP loans from somewhat real businesses exaggerating their expenses). The difference in MN is the fraud is jaw-droppingly stupid. Just read the Feeding our Future wikipedia page [1]. The fraudsters knew they were under suspicion, still got money from the state ,sued the state to force them to pay more - claiming racism, won, a judge forced the state to pay them 250m, blatantly spent the money on sports cars (again - knowing they were being investigated), got caught, tried to pay off the jury, the person who tried to pay of the jury stole the bribe money. The investigation was wrapped up some time ago, but it did not get a lot of attention for obvious political reasons. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feeding_Our_Future https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feeding_Our_Future