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Not sure if trolling or actual fascist. Anyway, if you think people are going to give up their rights without any pushback, you’re in for a really scary decade

Not sure if trolling or actual fascist. Anyway, if you think people are going to give up their rights without any pushback, you’re in for a really scary decade. 37% will not be able to rule by fiat over the remainder without, essentially, civil war.

dpark 10mo ago
I fear we may all be in for a really scary decade.
- tastyface 10mo ago
  Yes. But many people aligned with the regime think it’s going to be smooth sailing into their dream autocratic ethnostste. Nope.
  - dpark 10mo ago
    It’s weird that someone can look at Russia where wealthy white folks frequently fall out of windows and think “yeah, that’ll probably work great for me”. Too much main character syndrome, the assumption that in any alternate system they would go up in privilege and status.
    - quickthrowman 10mo ago
      > Too much main character syndrome, the assumption that in any alternate system they would go up in privilege and status. The same problem plagues almost every libertarian, they all imagine themselves as John Galt in a potential libertopia. In actuality, they would end up as a regular person serving the John Galts of the world.
    - lovich 10mo ago
      The mothballed guy is just crazy, trolling, or lying. I was going to respond to another comments of his in this thread when I realized he was the poster who laid out a false timeline of events by omitting the one comment that made him wrong in another post of mine. You can also see it with him arguing about how democracy is bad because you’ve been tricked into losing your rights, but also his preferred governmental organization includes being taken advantage of by anyone stronger than you. His stance is logically inconsistent on even a barest look and his hinting at sovereign citizen arguments and hero’s is telling me the answer is that he’s crazy
      - dpark 10mo ago
        Naive and ignorant with a dash of crazy. The sovereign citizen type thinking seems predicated on the rejection of a central authority while still quietly assuming that somehow such an authority exists to protect your rights to be free from an authority. “If only there was no government I could live however I want and everyone would have to respect my authority to live however I want.”
mothballed 10mo ago
Democracy is the process by which people are conned into 'giving up their rights.' People go about voting themselves other people's life, liberty, and property all under the scam that because the majority says it's ok that it is. The victims -- conned that because they 'voted' they are part of the 'people' who make up the government and they've only done it to themselves.
- AnimalMuppet 10mo ago
  You could avoid that by having a government with limited powers - limited enough that the voters could not use those powers to seize others' rights and property. We had an imperfect, but still pretty good, example of that. Had. It's been eroding for a while now. But it's eroded the fastest under the current administration, which has tried very hard to overrun all the limits on power, and has succeeded far too often for me.
  - mothballed 10mo ago
    If you have that you are 99% of the way there. Those anti-democratic limits are where the devil lies. I think that they can only stay intact indefinitely by having competition for governance. Part of a reason why I'm a proponent of polycentric law, so that a single monopoly of governance can't slowly crush the populace. Once the majority realizes they can't tyrannize the minority because the minority can run away and work under their own system of law, a balance might be found. Under such a system there is no monopolistic democracy, but people might voluntarily enter into one until they find their rights too suppressed.
    - dpark 10mo ago
      > the majority realizes they can't tyrannize the minority because the minority can run away and work under their own system of law Keep going. What happens when the majority refuses to acknowledge the legitimacy of the minority government? Go down the hole deep enough and you’ll figure out why everyone who doesn’t want to be a dictator or a dictator’s lackey prefers democracy.

dpark 10mo ago

I fear we may all be in for a really scary decade.

tastyface 10mo ago
Yes. But many people aligned with the regime think it’s going to be smooth sailing into their dream autocratic ethnostste. Nope.
- dpark 10mo ago
  It’s weird that someone can look at Russia where wealthy white folks frequently fall out of windows and think “yeah, that’ll probably work great for me”. Too much main character syndrome, the assumption that in any alternate system they would go up in privilege and status.
  - quickthrowman 10mo ago
    > Too much main character syndrome, the assumption that in any alternate system they would go up in privilege and status. The same problem plagues almost every libertarian, they all imagine themselves as John Galt in a potential libertopia. In actuality, they would end up as a regular person serving the John Galts of the world.
  - lovich 10mo ago
    The mothballed guy is just crazy, trolling, or lying. I was going to respond to another comments of his in this thread when I realized he was the poster who laid out a false timeline of events by omitting the one comment that made him wrong in another post of mine. You can also see it with him arguing about how democracy is bad because you’ve been tricked into losing your rights, but also his preferred governmental organization includes being taken advantage of by anyone stronger than you. His stance is logically inconsistent on even a barest look and his hinting at sovereign citizen arguments and hero’s is telling me the answer is that he’s crazy
    - dpark 10mo ago
      Naive and ignorant with a dash of crazy. The sovereign citizen type thinking seems predicated on the rejection of a central authority while still quietly assuming that somehow such an authority exists to protect your rights to be free from an authority. “If only there was no government I could live however I want and everyone would have to respect my authority to live however I want.”

mothballed 10mo ago

Democracy is the process by which people are conned into 'giving up their rights.' People go about voting themselves other people's life, liberty, and property all under the scam that because the majority says it's ok that it is. The victims -- conned that because they 'voted' they are part of the 'people' who make up the government and they've only done it to themselves.

AnimalMuppet 10mo ago
You could avoid that by having a government with limited powers - limited enough that the voters could not use those powers to seize others' rights and property. We had an imperfect, but still pretty good, example of that. Had. It's been eroding for a while now. But it's eroded the fastest under the current administration, which has tried very hard to overrun all the limits on power, and has succeeded far too often for me.
- mothballed 10mo ago
  If you have that you are 99% of the way there. Those anti-democratic limits are where the devil lies. I think that they can only stay intact indefinitely by having competition for governance. Part of a reason why I'm a proponent of polycentric law, so that a single monopoly of governance can't slowly crush the populace. Once the majority realizes they can't tyrannize the minority because the minority can run away and work under their own system of law, a balance might be found. Under such a system there is no monopolistic democracy, but people might voluntarily enter into one until they find their rights too suppressed.
  - dpark 10mo ago
    > the majority realizes they can't tyrannize the minority because the minority can run away and work under their own system of law Keep going. What happens when the majority refuses to acknowledge the legitimacy of the minority government? Go down the hole deep enough and you’ll figure out why everyone who doesn’t want to be a dictator or a dictator’s lackey prefers democracy.