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Law has one of the strongest "unions" in the form of the Bar Association, backed by legal force. You cannot practice law without "passing they bar" as they say

Law has one of the strongest "unions" in the form of the Bar Association, backed by legal force. You cannot practice law without "passing they bar" as they say. The lawyers who operate the Bar can just decide they wont be replaced and then they wont, AI will remain a tool used by human lawyers.

stuffn 10mo ago
Given they have the power of life and death in their hands having them licensed and accountable is peace of mind. Surely unions are too powerful in several industries. Police, medicine, and law. But not having some association holding these people accountable is a bad idea.
- nickff 10mo ago
  Most of these industry guilds tend to be capricious but forgiving, determined to protect members. Almost every (North American) union puts its members' well-being ahead of any possible accountability, which makes sense, but means they cannot be trusted to self-regulate.
jscottmiller 10mo ago
I agree, though I suspect we'll see something similar to what has happened with Doctors, where companies essentially rent the credentials.
esafak 10mo ago
You can't create derivative works of copyrighted materials either, yet here we are. I'm sure they'll find a creative loophole.
- Izikiel43 10mo ago
  Easy, you can have a company scale a few lawyers into thousands of cases and call it a day. The total number of working lawyers would dwindle if they are competing on price.
xeckr 10mo ago
>You cannot practice law without "passing they bar" You are however entitled to represent yourself without passing the bar, and thus use the AI to help your case. Even for the remaining lawyers, I imagine that their billable hours will crater due to competitive dynamics.
- woleium 10mo ago
  interesting, so you can rep yourself, with assistance from an ai? or maybe someone you hired to use an ai, present as an amicus curiae?
- jscottmiller 10mo ago
  Perez Hilton tried this with some success: https://www.cjr.org/feature/perez-hilton-og-original-news-influencer-blake-lively-shield-law-subpoena.php https://www.cjr.org/feature/perez-hilton-og-original-news-in...
- csa 10mo ago
  > Even for the remaining lawyers, I imagine that their billable hours will crater due to competitive dynamics. Billable hours will absolutely crater for lawyers who cater to a low-end clients (esp. for defense) and lawyers who are not good business people. That said, the best lawyers will almost certainly still be in incredibly high demand, since higher-end lawyering (much like banking) is a personal business as much or more than it is a technical one. AI will simply allow these lawyers to do more and better work.
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stuffn 10mo ago

Given they have the power of life and death in their hands having them licensed and accountable is peace of mind. Surely unions are too powerful in several industries. Police, medicine, and law. But not having some association holding these people accountable is a bad idea.

nickff 10mo ago
Most of these industry guilds tend to be capricious but forgiving, determined to protect members. Almost every (North American) union puts its members' well-being ahead of any possible accountability, which makes sense, but means they cannot be trusted to self-regulate.

jscottmiller 10mo ago

I agree, though I suspect we'll see something similar to what has happened with Doctors, where companies essentially rent the credentials.

esafak 10mo ago

You can't create derivative works of copyrighted materials either, yet here we are. I'm sure they'll find a creative loophole.

Izikiel43 10mo ago
Easy, you can have a company scale a few lawyers into thousands of cases and call it a day. The total number of working lawyers would dwindle if they are competing on price.

xeckr 10mo ago

>You cannot practice law without "passing they bar" You are however entitled to represent yourself without passing the bar, and thus use the AI to help your case. Even for the remaining lawyers, I imagine that their billable hours will crater due to competitive dynamics.

woleium 10mo ago
interesting, so you can rep yourself, with assistance from an ai? or maybe someone you hired to use an ai, present as an amicus curiae?
jscottmiller 10mo ago
Perez Hilton tried this with some success: https://www.cjr.org/feature/perez-hilton-og-original-news-influencer-blake-lively-shield-law-subpoena.php https://www.cjr.org/feature/perez-hilton-og-original-news-in...
csa 10mo ago
> Even for the remaining lawyers, I imagine that their billable hours will crater due to competitive dynamics. Billable hours will absolutely crater for lawyers who cater to a low-end clients (esp. for defense) and lawyers who are not good business people. That said, the best lawyers will almost certainly still be in incredibly high demand, since higher-end lawyering (much like banking) is a personal business as much or more than it is a technical one. AI will simply allow these lawyers to do more and better work.

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