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The language of class war precludes any sort of repair of the situation. I see a ton of young people at work outside of my group within the org who should be ge

by throwway120385 10mo ago

The language of class war precludes any sort of repair of the situation. I see a ton of young people at work outside of my group within the org who should be getting paid better. When we're in management we have a responsibility to try to argue for narratives that lead to that outcome. And when we vote we need to remember that things that look bad for us homeowners like allowing big development companies to come in and raze all of our houses and build townhomes and apartments for rent might be necessary to keep the bad situation from getting worse. I think in the end what will save us is the big demographic crunch that's going to happen in the next 15 years, because there will be a lot of housing stock suddenly on the market with no buyers. We're all going to get an opportunity then to fix a lot of these problems. Or, if we do nothing and let the status quo reign, our kids will suddenly find themselves renting everything they use for the rest of their lives.

saubeidl 10mo ago
I think unless we acknowledge the class war, there is no way of winning it. Big Capital is not my friend and its not most peoples friend, even if some of us here were lucky enough to be useful to them for now.
- throwway120385 10mo ago
  I'm not talking about the war with Capital, I'm talking about the war between the middle and lower classes.
lovich 10mo ago
> When we're in management we have a responsibility to try to argue for narratives that lead to that outcome. My previous bosses would move to fire me or get me transferred out of their org if they found out I valued getting my employees paid more, over literally anything else that moved the bottom line. > And when we vote we need to remember that things that look bad for us homeowners like allowing big development companies to come in and raze all of our houses and build townhomes and apartments for rent might be necessary to keep the bad situation from getting worse. This has been explained for years. At best the reaction gotten from homeowners can be paraphrased to, “yea, I hope you keep the commons working, but I got my bag” > Or, if we do nothing and let the status quo reign, our kids will suddenly find themselves renting everything they use for the rest of their lives. There’s other options too after the ballot box stops working and your life is permanently worse under the status quo, but you are not allowed to discuss those options on Western social media sites
- xp84 10mo ago
  Violent revolution isn’t a solution though. We have almost a whole continent (Africa) as a case study for what happens when people finally get fed up with corrupt, incompetent governments and stage coups. The scariest warlord takes charge for a while and (often with a lot of additional bloodshed) chooses different winners and losers, until the cycle repeats. Sheltered Gen-Z Americans, who have never known a disordered society love to talk about revolution, but they are so ill prepared for something like that. It’s not even funny. To be clear, none of us in the “first world” are prepared for something like that.
  - nebula8804 10mo ago
    Looking at the FDR years it came to the elites almost losing everything for them to finally dole out a few crumbs. We are in uncharted territory though. If AGI comes to fruition assuming it does not run the numbers and just emigrate to China it will lead to a world where most people are not needed for GDP growth anymore. How is that society going to self-correct itself?
    - saubeidl 10mo ago
      The German social safety net was introduced by Bismarck, a conservative. You know why he did it? Credible threat of violent revolution. That's what it takes.
  - lovich 10mo ago
    I just want to be clear before we continue the discussion, so that you do not claim that I am trying to get a "gotcha" moment on you. When we are discussing the United States of America, the nation founded on one of the most famously successful violent revolutions, to the point that we teach our children to celebrate it every year, your claim is that violent revolutions can not be a solution?
overfeed 10mo ago
> there will be a lot of housing stock suddenly on the market with no buyers. The only way some millennials will own house is by inheriting them from boomers, and the rest of the housing stock will be mostly bought by corporate investors. Everyone else will rent until death, and provide reccuring income to make the graph go up.

saubeidl 10mo ago

I think unless we acknowledge the class war, there is no way of winning it. Big Capital is not my friend and its not most peoples friend, even if some of us here were lucky enough to be useful to them for now.

throwway120385 10mo ago
I'm not talking about the war with Capital, I'm talking about the war between the middle and lower classes.

lovich 10mo ago

> When we're in management we have a responsibility to try to argue for narratives that lead to that outcome. My previous bosses would move to fire me or get me transferred out of their org if they found out I valued getting my employees paid more, over literally anything else that moved the bottom line. > And when we vote we need to remember that things that look bad for us homeowners like allowing big development companies to come in and raze all of our houses and build townhomes and apartments for rent might be necessary to keep the bad situation from getting worse. This has been explained for years. At best the reaction gotten from homeowners can be paraphrased to, “yea, I hope you keep the commons working, but I got my bag” > Or, if we do nothing and let the status quo reign, our kids will suddenly find themselves renting everything they use for the rest of their lives. There’s other options too after the ballot box stops working and your life is permanently worse under the status quo, but you are not allowed to discuss those options on Western social media sites

xp84 10mo ago
Violent revolution isn’t a solution though. We have almost a whole continent (Africa) as a case study for what happens when people finally get fed up with corrupt, incompetent governments and stage coups. The scariest warlord takes charge for a while and (often with a lot of additional bloodshed) chooses different winners and losers, until the cycle repeats. Sheltered Gen-Z Americans, who have never known a disordered society love to talk about revolution, but they are so ill prepared for something like that. It’s not even funny. To be clear, none of us in the “first world” are prepared for something like that.
- nebula8804 10mo ago
  Looking at the FDR years it came to the elites almost losing everything for them to finally dole out a few crumbs. We are in uncharted territory though. If AGI comes to fruition assuming it does not run the numbers and just emigrate to China it will lead to a world where most people are not needed for GDP growth anymore. How is that society going to self-correct itself?
  - saubeidl 10mo ago
    The German social safety net was introduced by Bismarck, a conservative. You know why he did it? Credible threat of violent revolution. That's what it takes.
- lovich 10mo ago
  I just want to be clear before we continue the discussion, so that you do not claim that I am trying to get a "gotcha" moment on you. When we are discussing the United States of America, the nation founded on one of the most famously successful violent revolutions, to the point that we teach our children to celebrate it every year, your claim is that violent revolutions can not be a solution?

overfeed 10mo ago

> there will be a lot of housing stock suddenly on the market with no buyers. The only way some millennials will own house is by inheriting them from boomers, and the rest of the housing stock will be mostly bought by corporate investors. Everyone else will rent until death, and provide reccuring income to make the graph go up.