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> This is not a left versus right thing. China being unchallenged in the world will spell a quality of life decrease for us in the West. America's incompetent

by overfeed 10mo ago

> This is not a left versus right thing. China being unchallenged in the world will spell a quality of life decrease for us in the West. America's incompetent leadership is self-inflicted. Biden's 2020 campaign strategy was pro status quo ante - which I find similar to your appeal to "normalcy". Unfortunately (for future American global primacy), this message did not resonate with voters in 2024. I suspect "getting back to normal" is not enough for Gens Y & Z, who have already lost a class war whose existence they may not be aware of.

biophysboy 10mo ago
Young people have legitimate gripes w/ housing and higher education. I would not describe this as having “lost a class war”.
- overfeed 10mo ago
  I would describe the over-fiscalization of housing and education loans designed to increase profits for shareholders as different fronts in the same class war that young people have already lost.
throwway120385 10mo ago
The language of class war precludes any sort of repair of the situation. I see a ton of young people at work outside of my group within the org who should be getting paid better. When we're in management we have a responsibility to try to argue for narratives that lead to that outcome. And when we vote we need to remember that things that look bad for us homeowners like allowing big development companies to come in and raze all of our houses and build townhomes and apartments for rent might be necessary to keep the bad situation from getting worse. I think in the end what will save us is the big demographic crunch that's going to happen in the next 15 years, because there will be a lot of housing stock suddenly on the market with no buyers. We're all going to get an opportunity then to fix a lot of these problems. Or, if we do nothing and let the status quo reign, our kids will suddenly find themselves renting everything they use for the rest of their lives.
- saubeidl 10mo ago
  I think unless we acknowledge the class war, there is no way of winning it. Big Capital is not my friend and its not most peoples friend, even if some of us here were lucky enough to be useful to them for now.
  - throwway120385 10mo ago
    I'm not talking about the war with Capital, I'm talking about the war between the middle and lower classes.
- lovich 10mo ago
  > When we're in management we have a responsibility to try to argue for narratives that lead to that outcome. My previous bosses would move to fire me or get me transferred out of their org if they found out I valued getting my employees paid more, over literally anything else that moved the bottom line. > And when we vote we need to remember that things that look bad for us homeowners like allowing big development companies to come in and raze all of our houses and build townhomes and apartments for rent might be necessary to keep the bad situation from getting worse. This has been explained for years. At best the reaction gotten from homeowners can be paraphrased to, “yea, I hope you keep the commons working, but I got my bag” > Or, if we do nothing and let the status quo reign, our kids will suddenly find themselves renting everything they use for the rest of their lives. There’s other options too after the ballot box stops working and your life is permanently worse under the status quo, but you are not allowed to discuss those options on Western social media sites
  - xp84 10mo ago
    Violent revolution isn’t a solution though. We have almost a whole continent (Africa) as a case study for what happens when people finally get fed up with corrupt, incompetent governments and stage coups. The scariest warlord takes charge for a while and (often with a lot of additional bloodshed) chooses different winners and losers, until the cycle repeats. Sheltered Gen-Z Americans, who have never known a disordered society love to talk about revolution, but they are so ill prepared for something like that. It’s not even funny. To be clear, none of us in the “first world” are prepared for something like that.
gtowey 10mo ago
Still, it's like being on a plane and you're unhappy with the destination so you vote for a new pilot who has promised to immediately crash the plane into the ground.

biophysboy 10mo ago

Young people have legitimate gripes w/ housing and higher education. I would not describe this as having “lost a class war”.

overfeed 10mo ago
I would describe the over-fiscalization of housing and education loans designed to increase profits for shareholders as different fronts in the same class war that young people have already lost.

throwway120385 10mo ago

The language of class war precludes any sort of repair of the situation. I see a ton of young people at work outside of my group within the org who should be getting paid better. When we're in management we have a responsibility to try to argue for narratives that lead to that outcome. And when we vote we need to remember that things that look bad for us homeowners like allowing big development companies to come in and raze all of our houses and build townhomes and apartments for rent might be necessary to keep the bad situation from getting worse. I think in the end what will save us is the big demographic crunch that's going to happen in the next 15 years, because there will be a lot of housing stock suddenly on the market with no buyers. We're all going to get an opportunity then to fix a lot of these problems. Or, if we do nothing and let the status quo reign, our kids will suddenly find themselves renting everything they use for the rest of their lives.

saubeidl 10mo ago
I think unless we acknowledge the class war, there is no way of winning it. Big Capital is not my friend and its not most peoples friend, even if some of us here were lucky enough to be useful to them for now.
- throwway120385 10mo ago
  I'm not talking about the war with Capital, I'm talking about the war between the middle and lower classes.
lovich 10mo ago
> When we're in management we have a responsibility to try to argue for narratives that lead to that outcome. My previous bosses would move to fire me or get me transferred out of their org if they found out I valued getting my employees paid more, over literally anything else that moved the bottom line. > And when we vote we need to remember that things that look bad for us homeowners like allowing big development companies to come in and raze all of our houses and build townhomes and apartments for rent might be necessary to keep the bad situation from getting worse. This has been explained for years. At best the reaction gotten from homeowners can be paraphrased to, “yea, I hope you keep the commons working, but I got my bag” > Or, if we do nothing and let the status quo reign, our kids will suddenly find themselves renting everything they use for the rest of their lives. There’s other options too after the ballot box stops working and your life is permanently worse under the status quo, but you are not allowed to discuss those options on Western social media sites
- xp84 10mo ago
  Violent revolution isn’t a solution though. We have almost a whole continent (Africa) as a case study for what happens when people finally get fed up with corrupt, incompetent governments and stage coups. The scariest warlord takes charge for a while and (often with a lot of additional bloodshed) chooses different winners and losers, until the cycle repeats. Sheltered Gen-Z Americans, who have never known a disordered society love to talk about revolution, but they are so ill prepared for something like that. It’s not even funny. To be clear, none of us in the “first world” are prepared for something like that.

gtowey 10mo ago

Still, it's like being on a plane and you're unhappy with the destination so you vote for a new pilot who has promised to immediately crash the plane into the ground.